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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 11:18 am 
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flyingmonkeywarrior wrote:
I have a couple of thoughts, but I am just making stuff up.
Thought one: The readership is up here because this thread was posted at http://www.rense.com.
Thought two: It is a fact that people can have a dormant MRSA colony inside thier sinuses, especially seniors and nurses. MRSA in sinuses lays dormant, according to current information available to us. But MRSA in the lungs produces blood in the lungs and a fast death. Don't A LOT of people have MRSA colony's inside thier sinus cavity from hospital stays and nursing home stays, then the family and care givers contract it?
I read this entire thread and I saw an article herein that stated that there was a staph complication in these deaths according to autopsy. The article did not say what strain of staph was the culprit. What if the people that die of the flu complications, already have always had a MRSA colony's inside thier sinus cavity and the people that do not die, have never contracted the "dormant" MRSA colony in said nose/sinus?
Again, MRSA infecting the lungs is a fatal infection, and why wouldn't the H3 flu cause the MRSA to migrate, become active and infect the lungs along side the flu? The CDC would NEVER go public with this (if possible) complication-for obvious reasons.
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Google Ukraine and D225G and get back to us.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 11:36 am 
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"Orlowski also treated the brother, who passed away at the hospital Monday night.

She says the bacterial infection they had was a staphylococcal (staph) infection, which she calls a super infection. Cultures on the surviving sister are not back yet. The source of the staph is still unknown, but Orlowski says the bacteria is naturally on the body. On skin, in the nose. Most people, she says, don't catch it from someone else."


Since when do people near you not ONLY catch your flu virus, but also catch your secondary complications from flu? This is kind of thinking is way off base.

What if... this woman and her children caught an Influenza A virus that went straight to their lungs where it started rapidly multiplying and causing an overwhelming inflamatory response. What if other bacteria simply took advantage of the proteinaceous fluids and cellular debris left in the wake of this viral onslaught, and began to multiply enough to grow out in culture... maybe in the blood as well, since their lungs were bleeding. To throw focus and attention on a positive Staph finding in a sputum culture in the presence of this viral cluster, is like blaming the buzzards because you found them picking meat off the zebra. At this point, it shouldn't be the focus. Not until they find out that these people died of regular seasonal H3N2, a virus they must have all been exposed to numerous times in their lives.

In my opinion, that kind of distorted focus, and disregard is dangerous to the health of that community which is surrounded by the rest of the world.

The question they should all be asking, is what KIND of H3 flu Killed these people? Is it something new?

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 11:42 am 
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flyingmonkeywarrior wrote:
I have a couple of thoughts, but I am just making stuff up.
Thought one: The readership is up here because this thread was posted at http://www.rense.com.
Thought two: It is a fact that people can have a dormant MRSA colony inside thier sinuses, especially seniors and nurses. MRSA in sinuses lays dormant, according to current information available to us. But MRSA in the lungs produces blood in the lungs and a fast death. Don't A LOT of people have MRSA colony's inside thier sinus cavity from hospital stays and nursing home stays, then the family and care givers contract it?
I read this entire thread and I saw an article herein that stated that there was a staph complication in these deaths according to autopsy. The article did not say what strain of staph was the culprit. What if the people that die of the flu complications, already have always had a MRSA colony's inside thier sinus cavity and the people that do not die, have never contracted the "dormant" MRSA colony in said nose/sinus?
Again, MRSA infecting the lungs is a fatal infection, and why wouldn't the H3 flu cause the MRSA to migrate, become active and infect the lungs along side the flu? The CDC would NEVER go public with this (if possible) complication-for obvious reasons.
FMW


You bring up some good points. However MRSA pneumonia is not always fatal. I've seen newborns get over it. Either way, if these people lived with MRSA colonization for years, then you still have to ask yourself WHAT kind of flu virus would go straight to their lungs THAT fast, and pave the way for a super infection of that magnitude in not just one, but potentially four people in a matter of a few days?

They should know by now if the Staph, is MRSA, if they haven't said MRSA, it's not MRSA.

I've never seen MRSA pneumonia kill anybody THAT fast.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 11:46 am 
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flyingmonkeywarrior wrote:
I have a couple of thoughts, but I am just making stuff up.
Thought one: The readership is up here because this thread was posted at http://www.rense.com.
Thought two: It is a fact that people can have a dormant MRSA colony inside thier sinuses, especially seniors and nurses. MRSA in sinuses lays dormant, according to current information available to us. But MRSA in the lungs produces blood in the lungs and a fast death. Don't A LOT of people have MRSA colony's inside thier sinus cavity from hospital stays and nursing home stays, then the family and care givers contract it?
I read this entire thread and I saw an article herein that stated that there was a staph complication in these deaths according to autopsy. The article did not say what strain of staph was the culprit. What if the people that die of the flu complications, already have always had a MRSA colony's inside thier sinus cavity and the people that do not die, have never contracted the "dormant" MRSA colony in said nose/sinus?
Again, MRSA infecting the lungs is a fatal infection, and why wouldn't the H3 flu cause the MRSA to migrate, become active and infect the lungs along side the flu? The CDC would NEVER go public with this (if possible) complication-for obvious reasons.
FMW

Flu leads to secondary infections and an influenza with D225G (like H3N2v) targets the lung, which can cause a variety of problems including a secondary bacteria infection. The mention of the bacteria is just a way to limit panic (arguing that the deaths were unusual and wouldn't happen to others).
Most 1918 deaths were associated with secondary bacterial lung infections (which also involved D225G).

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 11:49 am 
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Hope you don't mind my popping in here, but this statement caught my attention. Does this mean that it was NOT just Ruth's CHILDREN who took care of her, but other family members were also helping? The grand-daugher seems to be indicating that. Or is this just a general statement about Ruth's adult children? -k

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"My grandmother was a very special lady to me,” said Long. "She helped my mom raise me and take care of me.”

Her 81-year-old grandmother Ruth Blake died at the home on March 1. She was suffering from a severe respiratory illness.

"She had started getting sick and the family was coming around to take care of her," said Long. "Around that time, we didn't think it was that serious. But as a family, we we all pitched in to help take care of my grandmother."

Now, two of those in the family who helped are also gone. Long’s 58-year-old uncle and her 56-year-old aunt got sick and died.

The Maryland Department of Health and Mental Hygiene confirms the siblings had Influenza H3, a strain of Influenza A.

Long's mother lived at the house and was the primary caregiver when her grandmother got sick. She is recovering in the hospital.

The Calvert County Health Department and the Maryland Department of Health and Mental Hygiene are continuing to investigate.

"Given that the three children who were taking care of their mom got sick within three or four days after they came in contact with her, you would think that if other people were going to get sick from having come into contact with these people, it would have been apparent by now," said Dr. David Rogers of the Calvert County Health Department.

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My guess is there was exposure in many, but those who were hospitalized stayed in the house (or unlucky exposure). The daughter were is recovering in the hospital apparent was living in the house.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 11:53 am 
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THIS "H3" is certainly a new MUTATION more virulent of the flu A, but I do not think whether it is in their interest to inform the public about it.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:05 pm 
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Thanks to Treyfish :hello:

LenaSun wrote:
12:32 PM EST

"This is Lena Sun, the reporter who's been writing about the health aspects of this story. To answer many of your questions--which are good!--Ruth Blake DID have a seasonal flu vaccine, according to David Rogers, the Calvert County health officer. None of the others were vaccinated, he said. This year the flu season has gotten off to a late start. All the health officials I've talked to are urging folks to get a flu shot if they haven't done so already".

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/ ... l#comments


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Thanks to Treyfish :hello:

LenaSun wrote:
12:32 PM EST

"This is Lena Sun, the reporter who's been writing about the health aspects of this story. To answer many of your questions--which are good!--Ruth Blake DID have a seasonal flu vaccine, according to David Rogers, the Calvert County health officer. None of the others were vaccinated, he said. This year the flu season has gotten off to a late start. All the health officials I've talked to are urging folks to get a flu shot if they haven't done so already".

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/ ... l#comments

Current vaccine won't do much for low reactors (drift variants or H3N2v).

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Thanks niman and little bird, and just so you know I do not have any medical training.
That said, RE: She says the bacterial infection they had was a staphylococcal (staph) infection, which she calls a super infection. Cultures on the surviving sister are not back yet. The source of the staph is still unknown, but Orlowski says the bacteria is naturally on the body. On skin, in the nose
I reckon they can not say MRSA as that WOULD cause a panic.
Also, they are down playing it bacause MRSA is easy to transmit person to person and that would mean that MRSA is a ticking "flu time bomb" in everyone-that would be pretty big news considering it is an infection that is in malls, movies, and gyms-which one can contract and never even know it.
Enter H3 and boom-you MAY have a three in four chance of death......In my opinion, and I ain't nobody, but they will never ever disclose to us that is was MRSa, which I think it was MRSA. These are just my thoughts in my "suspicious of media and untrusting nature regarding the news" brain.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:08 pm 
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flyingmonkeywarrior wrote:
Thanks niman and little bird, and just so you know I do not have any medical training.
That said, RE: She says the bacterial infection they had was a staphylococcal (staph) infection, which she calls a super infection. Cultures on the surviving sister are not back yet. The source of the staph is still unknown, but Orlowski says the bacteria is naturally on the body. On skin, in the nose
I reckon they can not say MRSA as that WOULD cause a panic.
Also, they are down playing it bacause MRSA is easy to transmit person to person and that would mean that MRSA is a ticking "flu time bomb" in everyone-that would be pretty big news considering it is an infection that is in malls, movies, and gyms-which one can contract and never even know it.
Enter H3 and boom-you MAY have a three in four chance of death......In my opinion, and I ain't nobody, but they will never ever disclose to us that is was MRSa, which I think it was MRSA. These are just my thoughts in my "suspicious of media and untrusting nature regarding the news" brain.


flyingmonkey... I think that it has already been disclosed that there was MRSA:

Officials: Maryland family's flu tragedy was unusual
http://content.usatoday.com/communities ... 1lI5TEgfZA

Mar 08, 2012
Officials: Maryland family's flu tragedy was unusual
By Elizabeth Weise, USA TODAY

...While it's in the nature of influenza to infect people who are in close contact, three fatalities among one family is rare.

The family is believed to have had the H3N2 strain of flu, which has been circulating in the U.S. for more than two years and has been in the flu vaccine for the past two years. H3N2 can be particularly dangerous for the elderly.

However it wasn't the strain of the flu they had that killed them. What was deadly in this case, and what health officials always worry about, are co-infections. CDC officials believe that all three had Methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA). It's the type of staph bacteria that causes boils. But it can also get in the lungs or the blood stream and cause dangerous infections. People who have the flu can be more susceptible to these infections. "You're sick with the flu virus and that can make you more susceptible to an infection from this really nasty bacteria that can make you really sick pretty quickly," says Skinner.


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