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 Post subject: Re: El Paso deaths
PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 1:56 am 
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gsgs wrote:
> Most of the 43 P&I deaths listed above are almost certainly under 65,
> based on week by week differences in the table.

think about it before you just routinely switch to nimanese

http://wonder.cdc.gov/mmwr/mmwr_reps.as ... r_table=4A

You really don't understand to tables. My comments come directly from the tables. You remain a fool who can't read the tables or the sequences, which is why your odds are whacko.

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 Post subject: Re: El Paso deaths
PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 2:02 am 
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you are just aggressive and can't admit when you are wrong.
Why can't we just talk about it normally like I can with
the other people ?

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 Post subject: Re: El Paso deaths
PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 3:33 am 
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gsgs wrote:
you are just aggressive and can't admit when you are wrong.
Why can't we just talk about it normally like I can with
the other people ?

What do you think the table says?

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 Post subject: Re: El Paso deaths
PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 4:13 am 
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OK, so let's see.

The number of biweekly deaths in the agegroup <65 is clearly elevated
in El Paso in weeks 14-15 with 83 while the average in weeks 1-13 is 59.

Even when we consider that reporting habits change from week to week
and just consider the percentage, it's still elevated with 33.3% while
the average was 28.0%.

This is not so much elevated as the P+I deaths but still should
only happen ~once per thousand biweeks statistically,
when we assume that all deaths are independent
and there is no outbreak of some unusual disease or disaster or such.

For comparison, if P+I deaths were independent (which they aren't, it's infectious)
then I calculate a 1:17million chance of seeing 43 or more
in a 2-weeks period when the average is 12.

So there is indeed reason to assume that the increase in P+I deaths
and the increase in youngerly(<65) deaths is correlated.

I think that's what niman meant, but how he formulated it,
that was obviously wrong.

The percentage of weekly deaths occurring in the youngerly(<65) in El Paso
in weeks 1-16 , 2011 was:

25.6,21.3,23.6,39.6,28.4,26.3,22.2,32.2,26.4,29.9,24.3,32.4,27.3,30.5,35.9,34.6

for week 16 this looks even more significant than the 10.3% ratio of P+I deaths.


This is consistent with H1N1 deaths, since the H1N1-deaths-age is lower than
the normal flu death-age. (but no H1N1 reported this season in region 6)

But it is also consistent with deaths from accidents or violence or disaster like fire.

Anyway, it still supports that something unusual is going on and this is not
mere coincidence.



we should check this with other cities or regions,
eg. Houston did look unusual to me, but I didn't check the age-distribution yet.



El Paso
Houston

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 Post subject: Re: El Paso deaths
PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 4:21 am 
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gsgs wrote:
Houston did look unusual to me, but I didn't check the age-distribution yet.



Since I live in Houston, I would be interested in knowing why total deaths are trending up.

Houston, TX
229 Total deaths from Apr 29th MMWR
163 oldest >65
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 Post subject: Re: El Paso deaths
PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 5:06 am 
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 Post subject: Re: El Paso deaths
PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 5:14 am 
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how is the air in Houston ? pollution from the fires ?
Deaths in firefighters reported ? Or people in Houston hospitals
with disease,injuries,accidents from fire

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 Post subject: Re: El Paso deaths
PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 6:49 am 
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gsgs wrote:
you are just aggressive and can't admit when you are wrong.
Why can't we just talk about it normally like I can with
the other people ?

Please. The table points toward an increase in under 65 deaths, which was stated earlier. The media report clearly just looked at the totals and concluded that the P&I deaths were over 65, when in fact the table just sowed that deaths in general were over 65, which is expected.
You claimed that the P&I deaths were over 65 and said to look at the table, which indicated you couldn't read the table. Now you say under 65.

Bottom line is the P&I increases pointed to under 65 deaths, as indicated initially, no nonsense about over 65 required.

However, if the CDC just listed the ages of the P&I deaths it would be much easier to see the trend, and the fact that this spike is due to uder 65 deaths.

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 Post subject: Re: El Paso deaths
PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:41 am 
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it will be listed in 3 years when the death certificates are published ...
But they stopped giving the location in the published records.

just checking the MMWR-data , we see a clear
seasonality in elderly-deaths-proportion.

So increasing deaths in youngerly would not indicate flu,
even novel H1N1.
That would be an unusual flu not seen for decades

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well, maybe it is, it's new and a pandemic
looking at the 2nd graph shows some differences in the peaks
of the elderly and P+I ratios


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 Post subject: Re: El Paso deaths
PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 8:04 am 
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gsgs wrote:
it will be listed in 3 years when the death certificates are published ...
But they stopped giving the location in the published records.

just checking the MMWR-data , we see a clear
seasonality in elderly-deaths-proportion.

So increasing deaths in youngerly would not indicate flu,
even novel H1N1.
That would be an unusual flu not seen for decades

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well, maybe it is, it's new and a pandemic
looking at the 2nd graph shows some differences in the peaks
of the elderly and P+I ratios

Please. H1N1 kills those under 65 and such deaths are GROSSLY under-represented. H3N2 kills the elderly, and has been doing so for decades.
An increase in younger patient deaths in El Paso would CLEARLY indicate H1N1.
You continue to post utter nonsense, because you don't understand how to analyze data.

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