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Also, if you've ever had H1N1, don't bother with the vax.

Absolutely, Dingo. Getting the third shot gives you permission to yell out, "Bahhhhh," while trying to find the shepherd in the white overcoat.

Although I agree with Dr. Niman and the utility of the booster for younger age groups, a booster is pointless if the virus evades the vaccine. I'd rather take a sugar pill. They taste better.

So for people who actually had pH1N1 once (or even twice) there would be absolutely no value in getting either this year's vax or the next.

And who the heck knows what pH1N1 will be doing by next year.

What's amazing to me is all the WHO people and the CDC who follow them, getting paid for making decisions that seem to be completely stupid.

To be realistic, we should remember that the old and unchanged H1N1 is still out there (supposedly). According to Dr. Niman's results, somewhere around half of those who were sampled had the mutation. The rest did not. So, on the bright side, if you did get the "booster" and were only exposed to the unchanged H1N1, you should (in theory) be protected. But if you happen to run into someone who has the mutation, your chances of getting sick despite the vaccination skyrocket.

I think Dr. Niman once said, "some protection is better than none," which still holds true.

I'm of a slightly different opinion... Unless they can come up with something that really does cure, I see no point trying to chase a needle that promises more than it delivers, particularly when the dumb-ones with white coats having W.H.O. embossed on them are always (consistently) behind the curve.

Hmm, I thought it was a higher percentage that than had one or two or both of the 188 or 186 something or other... Too late at night for me to go copy and paste the exact numbers/letters. I don't recall seeing that only half had low reactor mutations. I'll have to check tomorrow.

What I want to see (ha ha) is the docs and HPA detailing how many who died or got seriously ill were vaxed and how many were not vaxed. Yes, I realize I'm more likely to see pigs fly.

NIID has released a December sequence from Japan, A/NIIGATA/1581/2010. It has S188T.

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The partial sequence also has A40G and G207A, creating an exact match with A/England/4880374/2010.

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So glad to see this discussion as it confirms what i suspected but had been wondering about. Dr Niman's point about a booster for my kids is a good one though i'm pretty sure they had both the vaccine and the disease last year (though of course they were not tested!). Thanks for this. I agree with BeWell that this was all heart-rendingly stupid. I am astounded at the continued lack of coverage about what's happening in the UK. It's been fascinating, appalling but alas, not surprising to watch this all play out politically and socially in the world.

And I use the word "stupid" just to be nice. If even a high school dropout like me can understand that to make an effective vaccine the seed strain has to be as current as possible, then their decision to use the CA May 2009 even though right now the flu has changed so much - it has to be some thing more than plain stupidity.