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Yes the H1N1 component is the same. The p-H1N1 2009 jab (which has been in storage) is still only going to be offered to those in the 'at risk groups' (due to shortages of the trivalent vaccine). The main 'gripe' seems to be with the people in the 'non at-risk' group who want either the p-H1N1/or trivalent vaccine but can't get hold of it for love nor money. It's completely ballsed up.

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Fears over mutating flu virus that could render vaccine useless

By DAILY MAIL REPORTER

Last updated at 11:56 PM on 8th January 2011


A research team has hurriedly been re-formed to investigate whether the swine flu virus has started to mutate in a way that will render the vaccine ineffective.

Senior Government scientists have already discovered slight genetic mutations in the H1N1 virus.

They are checking whether this is causing some people to be more severely affected, although there is no evidence at this stage to suggest the changes would stop the vaccine working or prevent the anti-viral drug Tamiflu from being effective.



So far, 45 people are known to have died from swine flu since October.

The team, based at Imperial College London, are testing the DNA samples of hundreds of swine flu victims.
Professor Peter Openshaw, director of the Centre for Respiratory Infection at Imperial, said: ‘We have paid particular attention to whether the mutations are affecting how well the vaccine works and whether the slight mutations have led to it becoming more severe.’
The study, known as MOSAIC, was set up in 2009 to monitor the virus during the pandemic, but it was swiftly re-assembled last month with the latest outbreak.

Unprotected: A are checking whether this is causing some people to be more severely affected

Asthma specialist nurse Katy Odeadra, who works in the Chest and Allergy Clinic at St Mary’s Hospital, said: ‘All the talk among doctors and nurses dealing with swine flu cases is of a mutated form of the virus.’

The Health Protection Agency said yesterday: ‘The vaccine still works.’


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Frankly, Stephenson, I would be very surprised if the current vaccine works at all anymore. I'm not directing this post at you specifically (although it may feel like it). I'm directing it towards everyone who is afraid and thinks the flu jab might help.

There simply aren't enough numbers to prove it one way or the other, and officialdom seems hell-bent to skew the speech towards the vaccine. Yes, maybe it would increase panic if everyone was told that the current vaccine didn't work. Certainly, all the vaccine in storage would need to be disposed of at great cost to governments who purchased it. Certainly, governments and health authorities would worry that such a disclosure would damage their efforts to vaccinate again the following year. And certainly, governments would lose vast sums of money in disposing of unused vaccines held in storage. But lives could be also be saved by focusing on things that might actually improve your chances of not getting sick. Perhaps keeping students away from school would be helpful. Perhaps a period of isolation might be beneficial to societal health. Perhaps public trust would actually increase if they knew they were getting the full load of information they needed to substantiate officialdom claims. Just because a health authority claims something doesn't mean it actually is. Unless they can produce hard facts substantiating the claims, it would be foolish to blindly believe. The sad matter is, even those in higher perches probably aren't being given sufficient information to make qualified decisions. Had they, the UK probably wouldn't be where it is now. Why didn't the UK have sufficient vaccines? Is it possible the officials knew beforehand that the vaccine this year would be less capable (or even incapable) of offering protection, and so they didn't want to spend more money on rebuilding their stockpiles? I don't know the answer to this. I wish I did though.

But the fact that in a large fraction of the reports I'm reading I see no numbers to help delineate between the vaccinated and non-vaccinated is an indication of manipulation by the authorities. Look to the real world for your evidence. Find out for yourself from those you know who are ill whether they were vaccinated or not. Then draw your own conclusions.

I have always been uncertain whether the vaccine works. In hindsight, I believe it probably did help last year, but then they tackled the problem quickly and obtained a vaccine soon after the virus became a problem - probably before it had time to change. Now, however, and particularly as time passes, I have more and more doubt that anything will really work, except perhaps those drugs that inhibit viral growth.

Consider this as well... Dr. Niman (and others I have read about) have stated that most of the world population has probably already been exposed to H1N1, whether you became sick or not. At least some level of exposure is likely to have taken place. Perhaps the stronger the exposure, the greater your body's response is and the greater the protection you receive. My son had H1N1 multiple times last go-round - and neither time was pretty. I never fell ill at all (had a bit of a cough at one time, but nothing close to what others had). Am I therefore protected? Is my son protected? Why should we get a flu shot for H1N1 if they're injecting us with the same serum that was used to combat it the first time?

I'll bet there is hardly anyone here who does not know of someone personally who became sick during the last season of H1N1 (or suspected H1N1). That means they were exposed, and you probably were too if you didn't get sick yourself. Why then, are so many people getting sick with it in the UK again? You can't tell me those who are sick never had any antibodies (or whatever they're called) created during the first wave. I can't accept that. No way. The numbers are too significant. So why isn't the vaccine or prior exposure working? And if it isn't working, what is the point in getting the jab if they've filled the syringe with the contents of a vaccine that protects against an outdated virus? I suppose if false-hope is what people are looking for, then they should get the jab.

I'm still of the opinion that we don't have sufficient numbers to say, one way or the other, whether this years vaccine works. I have only seen one report from Dr. Niman that suggested that most of the people who were included in the study (who were either dead or very sick) had not previously been vaccinated. And the sampling was tiny. That's not good enough to make believable.

Take care of your own. Wash frequently. Avoid large crowds if you worry about this bug. Keep your kids home from school if you're that concerned. But getting the flu jab is, in my mind, like driving a car with only one lug-nut fastened to a tire. You can buy accident insurance if you'd like, but it won't decrease your odds of having an accident.

I don't have the answer(s) either Pandora. Like you say, take care of your own and do what you think is in the best interests of you and yours.

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Antivirals are the best hope to stay less sick. Have some handy.

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Working in the NHS, I am a perfectly health person who recently had the vaccination (combined). A week before christmas, during the christmas period and just after, I had a nasty bout of flu followed by a chest infection. Now I am starting to question whether I would have been worse if I had not had the vaccine or whether the vaccine did play a part in my getting flu. I am a now a little concerned with what is being reported today.
- Concerned, Blackpool, 09/1/2011 10:59

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I am just recently back from hospital after spending a week on life support because of this flu, do not take it lightly!!!! I am fit, live a healthy lifestyle, don't drink or smoke but almost didn't get to see my children grow up! Now I am exhausted, very weak, almost no voice from the tube down my airway and looking at weeks of recovery, seriously if you get this flu and start feeling worse after a few days get help fast!

- Sarah, Lincs, 09/1/2011 10:37
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Viruses and bacteria mutate that is what all living organisms do!
- Mark, hull, 09/1/2011 10:35
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