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PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:56 pm 
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Video: Swine flu deaths fits normal virus spread patterns

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/81990 ... terns.html

Prof. Hugh Pennington says recent deaths from swine flu fit into normal patterns of the virus, after news emerged that 10 adults in the UK had died of it in the past six weeks.

Flu deaths in those under 65 is NOT a "normal" pattern.



Poppycock

It is normal for the new seasonal H1N1 flu which is what we are talking about here.

And no one else picks this up except me. Spoonfed and loving it !!

Deaths of under 65 is "normal" for H1N1 and H1N1 is ANYTHING but "normal" seasonal flu. It can bring down the world's entire health care delivery system in a heartbeat.

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 Post subject: Re: UK
PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 8:27 pm 
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Dad-of-three still being treated at Southport hospital for swine flu
Dec 14 2010 by Helen Hunt, Liverpool Echo

A DAD-of-three suffering from swine flu is still being treated in a Merseyside hospital.

The man, who is thought to work for Royal Mail, was taken to Southport and Formby District General Hospital after being struck down by the H1N1 virus.

He was due to be transferred to Leicester for specialist treatment, but remains under the care of doctors in Southport.

There are thought to have been a small number of swine flu cases on Merseyside.


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 Post subject: Re: UK
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The Dreaded Daily Mail, again............

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ds-newsxml

GPs' alarm as deadly swine flu returns with a vengeance

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By Sophie Borland
Last updated at 12:03 AM on 14th December 2010

The return of swine flu this winter is far more deadly than predicted, experts warn.
The virus has claimed the lives of ten people, all under the age of 65, in the last six weeks alone.
Experts admit they are surprised that the death toll is this high so early on in the season.
Preventative medicine: Doctors are urging those most at risk from swine flu to get a vaccine
Meanwhile cases of ordinary seasonal flu are also on the rise, with much of the country being placed on ‘high alert’. So far the illness has caused two deaths.
GPs and pharmacies have been told to expect a surge of patients over the next few weeks reporting the typical symptoms of fever, cough, headache and extreme fatigue.
Figures from the Health Protection Agency show that at least ten ‘young’ adults have been killed by swine flu since the beginning of November.
Most were pregnant women or suffered chronic illnesses, such as asthma or diabetes, putting them more at risk from very serious forms of the virus. But some were previously healthy individuals.
Although experts predicted the return of the H1N1 swine flu virus this winter, they admit they are concerned that the death toll has risen so quickly.
They say those in their 20s to 50s should consider getting flu vaccine, which covers swine flu, even if they have to pay for it themselves.
Professor John Oxford, an expert in virology at St Barts and the London hospital said: ‘I’m surprised and feel ill at ease that young people are dying.
‘It’s a virus that needs to be given some respect. People are probably dying because they don’t want to bother their GP. But this delay can prove fatal, particularly amongst pregnant women.
‘We’re not at the panic stage yet but we certainly wouldn’t want the situation to get any worse.’.........................................


I have a great deal of respect for Prof Oxford.

More scaremongering from the Mail, 'high alert'???? :scratch:

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 Post subject: Re: UK
PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 8:50 pm 
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http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/ ... ather.html

Cold weather on it's way again towards the end of the week into Xmas.

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UK Outlook for Saturday 18 Dec 2010 to Monday 27 Dec 2010:
Further snow showers, heavy at times, are likely in most places over the weekend, with some potentially significant accumulations. Southern and southwestern parts of the UK look to be particularly at risk. It may also be windy at times. During the following week, the unsettled and wintry conditions are expected to continue with further snowfall mainly in the north, and rain more likely in southern parts. From Friday (24th), it is expected to remain unsettled with snow showers most likely to continue in the north of the UK. Temperatures, while being generally cold, may become less cold and even nearer normal in the south and west. However, it will still be cold enough for overnight frost and ice.
Updated: 1157 on Mon 13 Dec 2010

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 Post subject: Re: UK
PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 8:51 pm 
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The Dreaded Daily Mail, again............

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ds-newsxml

GPs' alarm as deadly swine flu returns with a vengeance

Quote:
By Sophie Borland
Last updated at 12:03 AM on 14th December 2010

The return of swine flu this winter is far more deadly than predicted, experts warn.
The virus has claimed the lives of ten people, all under the age of 65, in the last six weeks alone.
Experts admit they are surprised that the death toll is this high so early on in the season.
Preventative medicine: Doctors are urging those most at risk from swine flu to get a vaccine
Meanwhile cases of ordinary seasonal flu are also on the rise, with much of the country being placed on ‘high alert’. So far the illness has caused two deaths.
GPs and pharmacies have been told to expect a surge of patients over the next few weeks reporting the typical symptoms of fever, cough, headache and extreme fatigue.
Figures from the Health Protection Agency show that at least ten ‘young’ adults have been killed by swine flu since the beginning of November.
Most were pregnant women or suffered chronic illnesses, such as asthma or diabetes, putting them more at risk from very serious forms of the virus. But some were previously healthy individuals.
Although experts predicted the return of the H1N1 swine flu virus this winter, they admit they are concerned that the death toll has risen so quickly.
They say those in their 20s to 50s should consider getting flu vaccine, which covers swine flu, even if they have to pay for it themselves.
Professor John Oxford, an expert in virology at St Barts and the London hospital said: ‘I’m surprised and feel ill at ease that young people are dying.
‘It’s a virus that needs to be given some respect. People are probably dying because they don’t want to bother their GP. But this delay can prove fatal, particularly amongst pregnant women.
‘We’re not at the panic stage yet but we certainly wouldn’t want the situation to get any worse.’.........................................


I have a great deal of respect for Prof Oxford.

More scaremongering from the Mail, 'high alert'???? :scratch:

WHO proclaimed the pandemic over based on NO data. Now the Emporer has no clothes as young continue to die (and the H1N1 is just a step away from making 2009 look like a walk in the park).

H1N1 does NOT read press releases.

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 Post subject: Re: UK
PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 8:59 pm 
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niman wrote:
stephensons wrote:
The Dreaded Daily Mail, again............

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ds-newsxml

GPs' alarm as deadly swine flu returns with a vengeance

Quote:
By Sophie Borland
Last updated at 12:03 AM on 14th December 2010

The return of swine flu this winter is far more deadly than predicted, experts warn.
The virus has claimed the lives of ten people, all under the age of 65, in the last six weeks alone.
Experts admit they are surprised that the death toll is this high so early on in the season.
Preventative medicine: Doctors are urging those most at risk from swine flu to get a vaccine
Meanwhile cases of ordinary seasonal flu are also on the rise, with much of the country being placed on ‘high alert’. So far the illness has caused two deaths.
GPs and pharmacies have been told to expect a surge of patients over the next few weeks reporting the typical symptoms of fever, cough, headache and extreme fatigue.
Figures from the Health Protection Agency show that at least ten ‘young’ adults have been killed by swine flu since the beginning of November.
Most were pregnant women or suffered chronic illnesses, such as asthma or diabetes, putting them more at risk from very serious forms of the virus. But some were previously healthy individuals.
Although experts predicted the return of the H1N1 swine flu virus this winter, they admit they are concerned that the death toll has risen so quickly.
They say those in their 20s to 50s should consider getting flu vaccine, which covers swine flu, even if they have to pay for it themselves.
Professor John Oxford, an expert in virology at St Barts and the London hospital said: ‘I’m surprised and feel ill at ease that young people are dying.
‘It’s a virus that needs to be given some respect. People are probably dying because they don’t want to bother their GP. But this delay can prove fatal, particularly amongst pregnant women.
‘We’re not at the panic stage yet but we certainly wouldn’t want the situation to get any worse.’.........................................


I have a great deal of respect for Prof Oxford.

More scaremongering from the Mail, 'high alert'???? :scratch:

WHO proclaimed the pandemic over based on NO data. Now the Emporer has no clothes as young continue to die (and the H1N1 is just a step away from making 2009 look like a walk in the park).

H1N1 does NOT read press releases.


We haven't had the third wave here, yet.....Dr. N, I think I may answer my own question here but have the preceeding pandemics all had a third wave? I think you've said that before. Dress rehearsal 2009??

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 Post subject: Re: UK
PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 9:07 pm 
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stephensons wrote:
niman wrote:
WHO proclaimed the pandemic over based on NO data. Now the Emporer has no clothes as young continue to die (and the H1N1 is just a step away from making 2009 look like a walk in the park).

H1N1 does NOT read press releases.


We haven't had the third wave here, yet.....Dr. N, I think I may answer my own question here but have the preceeding pandemics all had a third wave? I think you've said that before. Dress rehearsal 2009??

There is nothing unusual about a pandemic coming back stronger in a subsequent year. pH1N1 is a VERY dangerous virus. D225G at a frequency 10X higher than last year would be catastrophic (and VERY possible).

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 Post subject: Re: UK
PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 9:16 pm 
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http://twitter.com/search?q=influenza%2 ... 1%20london

Twitter feeds...I cannot find any other information and cannot be confirmed.

Borop4hunkies @AllNewsHQ The Matzev From The Women From London Who Have The H1N1 Virus Is Now Criticl Pls B Mispalel 4 Ruchel Yehidis Bas Chaya Sura about 5 hours ago via ÜberTwitter
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RimnitzNews (1/2) Fwd: From: Berger Alnewshq Sent: Dec 13 2:44PM Msg: 02:23:01 The Matzev From The Women From London Who Have The H1N1 Virus Is No ...
about 5 hours ago via txt
Reply Retweet .
AllNewsHQ 02:23:01 The Matzev From The Women From London Who Have The H1N1 Virus Is Now Criticl Pls B Mispalel 4 Ruchel Yehidis Bas Chaya Sura
about 6 hours ago via txt
Reply Retweet .
YidAlerts Please be mispalel for Ruchel Yehidis bas Chaya Sura, Women in London in critical condition with H1N1 virus after having baby.

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 Post subject: Re: UK
PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 9:18 pm 
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niman wrote:
stephensons wrote:
niman wrote:
WHO proclaimed the pandemic over based on NO data. Now the Emporer has no clothes as young continue to die (and the H1N1 is just a step away from making 2009 look like a walk in the park).

H1N1 does NOT read press releases.


We haven't had the third wave here, yet.....Dr. N, I think I may answer my own question here but have the preceeding pandemics all had a third wave? I think you've said that before. Dress rehearsal 2009??

There is nothing unusual about a pandemic coming back stronger in a subsequent year. pH1N1 is a VERY dangerous virus. D225G at a frequency 10X higher than last year would be catastrophic (and VERY possible).


:shock:

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 Post subject: Re: UK
PostPosted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 8:32 am 
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niman wrote:
CopitoSP wrote:
Video: Swine flu deaths fits normal virus spread patterns

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/81990 ... terns.html

Prof. Hugh Pennington says recent deaths from swine flu fit into normal patterns of the virus, after news emerged that 10 adults in the UK had died of it in the past six weeks.

Flu deaths in those under 65 is NOT a "normal" pattern.


Yes, In a regular flu season deaths under 65 are very unusual even if those infected have underlying health conditions. Moreover, people above 65 dying of flu is not so usual as you might think. Yes, they have more complications such as bacterial pneumonia or Hypoxemia needing oxygen when admitted to hospital but only if they're weak enough. But very few times resulting in death. The vast majority has a mild course of infection as the general population, the problem is what I say above, they're more prompt to have complications caused by their weakness rather than the flu itself.

Swine flu pandemic is still running its course and this time it could have a much more significant impact on the health care systems.


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