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 Post subject: Re: Pennsylvania
PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 3:06 am 
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now this one says underlying conditions.

http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/319311

Flu has arrived; seven confirmed cases in county


The flu has arrived in Lancaster County, with seven confirmed cases reported here.

Across the state, the flu already has caused two deaths and 11 hospitalizations. Almost 100 cases have been confirmed by testing, most of them scattered across a swath of eastern Pennsylvania and clustered in one western county.

Lancaster County ranks second in the state for the number of confirmed cases at this point in the flu season, behind only Allegheny County, which has 12.

Likely, there are many more cases both here and across the state than officially have been reported, since not everyone goes to the doctor when they fall ill and doctors don't test every case.

The flu already claimed the lives of a 28-year-old man and a 45-year-old man, both from Lehigh County. Both of the men died within the past two weeks and both had underlying health conditions.

Overall, 69 of the 97 confirmed cases in Pennsylvania have occurred in residents ages 49 and younger. Just 17 cases were in adults ages 65 or older.

The Chief of Infectious Diseases at the hospital says they were both healthy prior to H1N1 infection, while sourceless media reports cite underlying conditions. SOP.


"Underlying conditions" is one of the most misleading "quotes" of the 2009 pandemic. When the public reads those words they automatically assume some serious health problems, when in reality, underlying conditons could be applied to ANYONE.

If you've ever recieved any medication for a seasonal allergy in your life............ THAT's an underlying condition.

If you are greater than Ten pounds overweight.... THAT's an underlying condition.

Anything you've ever gone to a doctor for (More than ONCE) Could be accurately labeled.... "An underlying conditon".

In 2009, Gout was acutally found to be "an underlying condition" of one of the first victims of this virus in America.

Anybody who is not in perfect health.... or of the "perfect weight" for their body type HAS an underlying conditon.

It's a Broad Spectrum negative term applied to H1N1 victims that unfairly paints a picture in the public's mind of somebody who was unhealthy to begin with. It makes it easy for people to do what they instinctively need to do.... explain to themselves why it Won't happen to them. :glare:

Nothing could've been further from the truth.

In my experience... it was the ones with TRUE underlying conditions....severe paralysis or severe underlying conditions who SURVIVED The virus. Because they were aggressively treated prophylactically.

It's the biggest lie of the year... (The Underlying conditions myth)

I've taken care of Chronic patients in this area for over twenty years. I Know two of the most severely incapacitated victims who Caught H1N1, and neither of them died.... even though one was on a ventilator for several weeks.

If anybody SHOULD have died according to the Media... it should've been those seriously compromised patients. But they survived...

Somebody isn't being completely honest.

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 Post subject: Re: Pennsylvania
PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 9:18 am 
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Yes, "underlying conditions" are VERY broadly applied and involve conditions that are only weakly associated with poor outcomes. Those who are morbidly obese (BMI greater than 40) can get into trouble because of breathing difficulties, but obesity in general (BMI greater than 30) is cited as an "underlying condition". Same is true for pregnancy, where increased risk is largely concentrated in the third trimester, but all pregnant women are said to have an "underlying condition". Same applies to asthma or diabetes. Conditions that are well controled and not linked to a signiificant increased risk are lumped together with those with a more severe condition.

Thus, the head of infectious diseases knows that having two previously healthy young adults admitted, who end up on ventilators prior to death is VERY unusual, even if one of the minimal rsik factors is subsequently identified.

However, the media is spoon fed the "underlying condition" mantra to control fear due to a cluster of dead young adults (45M and 28M) who were previously healthy by more tradional criteria, and died because of a virulent H1N1 rather than some unusual condition unique to these two individuals. In Lehigh the total number of confirmed flu cases for the entire season was THREE, including the TWO dead.

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 Post subject: Re: Pennsylvania
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niman wrote:
Yes, "underlying conditions" are VERY broadly applied and involve conditions that are only weakly associated with poor outcomes. Those who are morbidly obese (BMI greater than 40) can get into trouble because of breathing difficulties, but obesity in general (BMI greater than 30) is cited as an "underlying condition". Same is true for pregnancy, where increased risk is largely concentrated in the third trimester, but all pregnant women are said to have an "underlying condition". Same applies to asthma or diabetes. Conditions that are well controled and not linked to a signiificant increased risk are lumped together with those with a more severe condition.

Thus, the head of infectious diseases knows that having two previously healthy young adults admitted, who end up on ventilators prior to death is VERY unusual, even if one of the minimal rsik factors is subsequently identified.

However, the media is spoon fed the "underlying condition" mantra to control fear due to a cluster of dead young adults (45M and 28M) who were previously healthy by more tradional criteria, and died because of a virulent H1N1 rather than some unusual condition unique to these two individuals. In Lehigh the total number of confirmed flu cases for the entire season was THREE, including the TWO dead.



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 Post subject: Re: Pennsylvania
PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 9:33 am 
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cpg wrote:
niman wrote:
Yes, "underlying conditions" are VERY broadly applied and involve conditions that are only weakly associated with poor outcomes. Those who are morbidly obese (BMI greater than 40) can get into trouble because of breathing difficulties, but obesity in general (BMI greater than 30) is cited as an "underlying condition". Same is true for pregnancy, where increased risk is largely concentrated in the third trimester, but all pregnant women are said to have an "underlying condition". Same applies to asthma or diabetes. Conditions that are well controled and not linked to a signiificant increased risk are lumped together with those with a more severe condition.

Thus, the head of infectious diseases knows that having two previously healthy young adults admitted, who end up on ventilators prior to death is VERY unusual, even if one of the minimal rsik factors is subsequently identified.

However, the media is spoon fed the "underlying condition" mantra to control fear due to a cluster of dead young adults (45M and 28M) who were previously healthy by more tradional criteria, and died because of a virulent H1N1 rather than some unusual condition unique to these two individuals. In Lehigh the total number of confirmed flu cases for the entire season was THREE, including the TWO dead.



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Your comments remain EXTREMELY bizarre and devoid of any real content.

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 Post subject: Re: Pennsylvania
PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 10:38 am 
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http://www.recombinomics.com/News/12011 ... A_CFR.html

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 Post subject: Re: Pennsylvania
PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 7:10 pm 
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niman wrote:
Figure 2: Distribution of all Influenza Cases Reported in Pennsylvania this season, 10/3/2010-11/20/2010 (#=78)
COUNTY
CASES

ALLEGHENY
12

ALLENTOWN
3

ARMSTRONG
1

BEAVER
1

BEDFORD
1

BERKS
1

BETHLEHEM
1

BLAIR
2

BUCKS
1

CARBON
1

CENTRE
1

CHESTER
1

CLARION
1

CLEARFIELD
3

ERIE
1

FAYETTE
1

FRANKLIN
2

LACKAWANNA
5

LANCASTER
3

LEBANON
2

LEHIGH
3

LUZERNE
3

LYCOMING
2

MONTGOMERY
3

NORTHAMPTON
5

PHILADELPHIA
2

SCHUYLKILL
6

SOMERSET
1

VENANGO
2

WARREN
1

WASHINGTON
1

WESTMORELAND
1

YORK
4

TOTAL CASES
78

PA week 47 report is not out, but Lancanster media report listed top 5 counties and the only two that increased were Lancanster and Lebanon, which are southwest of Lehigh.

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 Post subject: Re: Pennsylvania
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Week 47 top counties
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 Post subject: Re: Pennsylvania
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Tex wrote:
now this one says underlying conditions.

http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/319311

Flu has arrived; seven confirmed cases in county


The flu has arrived in Lancaster County, with seven confirmed cases reported here.

Across the state, the flu already has caused two deaths and 11 hospitalizations. Almost 100 cases have been confirmed by testing, most of them scattered across a swath of eastern Pennsylvania and clustered in one western county.

Lancaster County ranks second in the state for the number of confirmed cases at this point in the flu season, behind only Allegheny County, which has 12.

Likely, there are many more cases both here and across the state than officially have been reported, since not everyone goes to the doctor when they fall ill and doctors don't test every case.

The flu already claimed the lives of a 28-year-old man and a 45-year-old man, both from Lehigh County. Both of the men died within the past two weeks and both had underlying health conditions.

Overall, 69 of the 97 confirmed cases in Pennsylvania have occurred in residents ages 49 and younger. Just 17 cases were in adults ages 65 or older.

11 hospitalizations out of 97 confirmed cases is a very high frequency, indicating the disease is severe or the surveillance is abysmal.

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 Post subject: Re: Pennsylvania
PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 10:42 am 
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Week 47 report is up.

http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/se ... 490&mode=2

It cites one more death and 2 more hospitalizations, but it also says the total number of deaths is now 2, although 2 were reported in week 46 and 1 was reported in week 47.

Media reports claims two deaths in Lehigh county (45M and 28M).

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 Post subject: Re: Pennsylvania
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Their reporting is not very good.

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