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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 8:52 am 
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This is the first autism-vaccine link claim I've seen that actually sounds credible:

Study Confirms Autism Boom - Correlates with Fetal DNA in Vaccines


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 2:36 pm 
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The autism and vaccine link has been discussed on this site quite extensively and everywhere else as well. I should know better than enter the debate, it's very personal to those parents that have children with autism. The site you have quoted seems to be very much a pro life site and the info may be suspect.

I've worked with children with autism and their parents for many years. I'd say the majority of the parents believe there is a link with the vaccines. Something is going on I do believe that. When I look at the number of students in my small school with autism I can only worry for their and society's future. After being on this forum for many months I do know now that diseases and their etiology are very complex. I'll share one story from a recent meeting. When talking with the parents and discussing the child's limited diet because of tactile issues they said to me. "He use to eat everything and loved all kinds of food. Then he got a really bad strep infection when he was 2 years of age and everything changed after that, he was never the same." I guess what I'm saying is autism is a complex issue and I believe it's a much larger issue than vaccines.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 2:47 pm 
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Hopeful2 wrote:
The site you have quoted seems to be very much a pro life site and the info may be suspect.

Oh, the age in which we live. The culture of death rules the main stream media, and covers up anything that reflects badly on the culture of death, like the irrefutable link between breast cancer and the birth control pill.

Yet we're supposed to be suspect of a report because it comes from a pro-life site?

I don't think so...As a health care provider, I'm far more skeptical of main stream medical and media outlets than any reputable pro-life organization like Life Site News.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 3:01 pm 
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I'm with Hopeful. I googled for [ dna from aborted babies vaccine ] to try to figure out where the idea that there might be some connection between aborted fetuses and vaccines originated. I looked through a number of the sites, and so far have not found anything that looks credible, let alone persuasive.

Somehow spreading the word that some extract of aborted fetuses is injected into people as a component of vaccines reminds me of the example from a marketing class in college where they said that in countries with low levels of literacy, people were accustomed to seeing the picture on canned goods or boxed goods of the food contained therein. Then, the picture of the smiling Gerber baby on the box would be problematic because would-be purchasers would surmise that the box contained some baby content.


http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=9

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One thing that you have to remember about resistance to vaccines by groups like Generation Rescue, SafeMinds, and others is that it is not scientific in nature. It is either due to an excessive reliance on anecdotes or confusing correlation with causation (usually with a distrust of science and medicine), or it is ideological in nature. No matter how many of the “toxins” scientists remove from vaccines, it will never be enough for Generation Rescue, Jenny McCarthy, or other antivaccinationists, because it’s all about the vaccines and the very concept of vaccination itself, not any individual ingredients in the vaccines. Antivaccinationists will never come to a point where they say, “OK, now I believe that all the toxins are gone and vaccines are safe.” They’ll either fixate on the viruses or the viral or bacterial antigens themselves, or they’ll make the claim that vaccines are made using “aborted fetuses” because some cell lines used to grow up virus stocks were derived from aborted fetuses 40 or more years ago. If every trace of formaldehyde, aluminum, or any other chemical with more than two syllables in its name were somehow to be removed from all vaccines, they would still be saying things like this:


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 3:29 pm 
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pall wrote:
Hopeful2 wrote:
The site you have quoted seems to be very much a pro life site and the info may be suspect.

Oh, the age in which we live. The culture of death rules the main stream media, and covers up anything that reflects badly on the culture of death, like the irrefutable link between breast cancer and the birth control pill.

Yet we're supposed to be suspect of a report because it comes from a pro-life site?

I don't think so...As a health care provider, I'm far more skeptical of main stream medical and media outlets than any reputable pro-life organization like Life Site News.


I went back and reviewed the source article. Interesting article! Life Site News used the "change point year" to further their point of view about use of aborted DNA in vaccines - I was unaware that the aborted DNA was in vaccines. A thought I had when I read through the source article was ah ha "the change year" was right around the time of Chernobyl and all that release of radiation in the atmosphere. Maybe that's what started all this. So people have opinions and will use information to advance their position or understanding.

One of the most difficult things with posting is trying to keep a critical mind to all the info out there and making a judgment to what is attempt at truth.

Pall, I did not mean to offend you.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 3:42 pm 
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Right on, Tex! (and Hopeful2) My first impression when I read through the article of discussion was that it was based on negative data, which has also been discussed on this site a lot. That irritated me. Then when I noticed that it appeared to be a pro-life spread I was totally put off and decided that the "conspiracy theory" thread was absolutely the correct place to put it.

It's going to take a lot more than what has been presented to get me to think it has any credibility at all.
However, thank you for posting it. It's good to know what kinds of theories and myths are being tossed about.

I see Hopeful2 has another post since I've started this one. It further solidifies my thoughts.


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