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Ok, thanks Dr Niman for your response, I appreciate that.

Interesting that Celvapan also has 225G. Do you happen to know if it also has 225N by any chance? And does anyone know what Q226R is/ does? Just curious as to whether its important or not?

As far as 225G & 225N working in tandem, that's what I had gathered from what I'd read here. I just wondered how bad 225N was, particuarly maybe if it was on its own, was it not as bad, just as bad, had no effect? Just trying to understand that's all.

Not trying to ask tough or awkward (or even stupid) questions in particular Pandora, so sorry if it seems that way. Have sat on the fence with this for what seems like a very long time now.
I do appreciate what Dr Niman does, of course I do, why do you think I am here? At least he tries to disseminate the information, whereas it seems our government/media try to do the opposite, which in IMHO only makes things worse. Who do you trust in that case?
I also appreciate the point about Dr Nimans reputation, how rumours and disinformation fly around the globe, and I appreciate he hasn't got time, he's obviously a very busy man and he's obviously not here to answer all the 'Dr Niman what should I do?' questions that might arise. Sorry if that's what it seemed like but I really didn't think I was asking Dr Niman what should I do? Didn't mean to anyway.
As far as I'm concerned its my body, my decision with regard to vax. I was just trying to gather the correct information with which to make that decision. I wasn't even trying to make this a discussion as to whether to vaccinate or not, just trying to understand.
On the face of it maybe it should be an easy decision, especially when the vaccine does contain 225G, which does seem to be the worst this virus could throw at us.
But in my mind its not quite as simple as that, especially when the vaccine contains squalene.
As far as I can gather squalene can cause or exsacerpate Autoimmune disorders like Rheumatoid Arthritis for example. And anyone who has suffered from and had their life blighted by such conditions might understand my concern here. It can cause extreme pain & misery & devastate your life.
So if it was as simple as (and maybe it is, I don't know, that's why I'm here):

1) - squalene versus death, then the answer is clearly give me the squalene, please

or if it was:

2) - squalene versus 'mild flu', then my answer would be, I'll take the flu thank you very much!

But it seems to me there is still a lot of muddy water in between, and all I was trying to do was shed some light on the muddy water so I can understand more, be more sure of myself.

Anyway I'll go back now and sit on the fence again, to ponder for a while longer.

Dunno if a vax just "contains D225G" is the end of that story.

Is that the European vax pimped up with an adjuvant?

If so, what about other factors leading to low reactors. From memory, low reactors have been found in Europe eg Germany.

Dunno Dingo, just don't know - about the low reactor thingy I mean, that's what I'm trying to figure out. Is it that once there are so many changes, mutations, recombinations it becomes a low reactor, no matter whether it has 225G or not? Is it the number of changes or particular changes that make the difference, that makes a vaccine a low reactor? I just dunno.

As far as European vaccines, yep it seems most have adjuvants. And that's the bit I don't like, I just feel/ fear that they might bugger up my already buggered up immune system, making it less likely that I will be able to fight off this flu when it comes.

Do they have adjuvants added to your vax in Aussie?
Do you know if they used the 225G variant?

From memory, no adjuvants but no D225G down here. I think our vax = the non-mist US version.

Re D225G, from reading a lot of Dr Niman's stuff it may not be as simple as having it in a vax. Lots of complications eg when it appears with the wild type D225.

Ye that's what I was thinking, it does seem a lot more complicated than just whether it has 225G or not. So I guess I still don't know.
I'm amazed that you're not getting the 225G down there either tho. I wonder how these decisions were made?
In broad brush it seems that half the western world got 225G with squalene, and the other half got wild type no squalene. I wonder how they worked that out. I wonder what the implications are? So if 225N is about as bad as 225G, or nearly as bad, and its not included in any vaccine then its not inconceivable that the vax with no 225G and no squalene encourages the virus to evolve towards 225G, or 225G/225N, then the 225G vaccine ([i]with[i]squalene, knocking peoples immune system crazy) encourages evolution or recombination towards 225N, biting us all in the ass! Am I barking up the wrong tree here? Or just 'barking' lol?
I wonder if JP Morgan has a betting table for this? Lol, being facetious now. Well...maybe.
What I do know is that this is very very complicated, way beyond my ken.
Back to the fence I think for me.

As fast as Influenza A adapts and changes (not sure of the proper terms) the world sure does seem to lag behind in publishing sequences...

It's like, as soon as a sequence is released, people like you point out things such as Tamiflu Resistance, and then I am suddenly reminded about a case a couple of weeks beforehand, that appeared to be Tamiflu resistant.

Or... you publish something about a polymorphism that attacks Type II alveolar cells, and I'm thinking back two weeks prior to a patient who fit that exact case scenario

That leads me to think that somebody somewhere isn't releasing information fast enough to make any kind of difference (except to help explain stuff that I'm already seeing clinically.)

That's why when you mention ONE or Two sequences that show "this,that, or the other" I pay attention, because a "few" samples historically seem to be precursors for eventual wide-spread phenomenon throughout both hemispheres.

If you ran the World Health Organization, Dr. Niman, What would you do differently? What NEEDS to happen to integrate the art of sample drawing and test analysis, with interpretation, publication, and preparation?

Who is dropping the Ball (pun intended), and what can be done to make a difference in communication? Because, it all seems to fall back on Communication between the Health Care Team.

I consider Virologists an integral part of the Health Care Team, but they were ALL on the sidelines... even Outside the stadium during 2009 Pandemic (when their knowledge could've been invaluable). Everyday in critical care, we round as a team with Medical Doctors, Pharmacy Doctors, Nutritionists, Nurses, etc. When samples are collected, the Pharm. D's are the ones who follow up on them. First, and foremost, the sample collection is left up to nurses, who all have their own methond for collection (as varied as one can get). NONE of the nurses I know even used a viral culture tube to swab a patient for flu... Instead, they used a standard bacterial culturette. (viral culture tubes are designed to discourage bacterial growth. These patients had collection vessels that encouraged the growth of bacteria. Go figure.

If Virologists were a part of the Hospital team (on influenza-like illness cases) during a Pandemic, they could see first hand patients who were presenting with different symptoms than normal, they would be linking sequences to clincial scenarios, and finally linking their findings to a particular patient. Seeing a particular polymorphism manifest itself clinically, might provide insight into what to look for next.

The medical profession has become SO disjointed, and SO estranged that we've crippled ourselves in our own progress.

Sorry my question ended up as a rant. That's just me.

NOBODY communicates.

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Dr Niman,

What does 'influenza A unspecified' mean? That they've just not tested it?

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Yes, it just just a influenza A positive on a rapid test, which does not generate a subtype (and produces a false negative up 90% of the time, so ten infected samples need to be tested to get to get one lab confirmed that is influenza A positive).

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Thank-you

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Dr Niman, a question. With the 'mystery' illnesses popping up all over India, could some of these cases be encephalopathy associated with an influenza virus?

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