Rhiza Labs FluTracker Forum

It has become painfully clear that certain so called members of the Rhiza Flutracker forum are out of control. These individuals have clearly displayed an insulting attack stance against the work of Dr. Henry Niman and the Recombinomics organization, personally and professionaly. In one breath they make scathing accusations against his character while at the same time pretend to be a supporter.

It is their hateful messages that should be the baramoter of their true intentions. If other members of this forum have come from a competing website, and that includes the so called moderators who have supposedly come to help, and their true intentions are to derail this forum and to discredit it then they should be banned. If the moderators are willing to look the other way while insults and attacks are levied against Dr. Niman and other forum members then they are in fact supporting and partaking in the assault on this body of research.

Certain moderators have clearly displayed that they delete any post that speaks out against the flaming and insults of Dr. Niman and others while allowing the full on insulting posts to remain that are directed at the membership.

It is clearly time to clean up this debacle as the progression of the H1N1 virus moves toward it's next, possibly catastrophic wave. Researchers and media may look to this site for insight only to find that desenters have been allowed to flourish. This fact alone will discredit this forum and this site and that is clearly the agenda of these so called loyal members.

Clean it up now. If you are a moderator and do not support Dr. Niman and his research then leave. Otherwise, do your job and listen to the complaints you are getting from users other than myself. I have had several emails agreeing with my position on this, yet the moderators do absolutely nothing but allow this constant attack on Dr. Niman and his work.

Regards

People absolutely have to try to conduct themselves in an orderly manner for sure. Wotan posted on the Global Announcements forum not too long back a reminder of the rules and perhaps some should remind themselves of that. However, you clearly DON'T have to entirely agree with Niman's work to be a member; that is not part of the rules. In fact respectful dialogue and debate is encouraged in the rules and part and parcel of an internet forum.

While a minority of people clearly gets bent out of shape, I also wouldn't necessarily paint Niman as someone who requires protection from the moderators. He appears to "fan the flame" of discontent at times, much to my amusement it has to be said. I'm sure all it would take is a PM from Niman to a mod if it bothered him that much, a warning issued and then perhaps a ban if it continued. He's a big boy and deals with his critics accordingly, often with devastating effect. We should all appreciate the work of Niman, I know I do but I don’t always agree either.

Are things really as bad here as you point out minus the odd member here or there? Hateful, out of control, insulting, scathing accusations etc. The sensitive nature of the subject at hand (the fact that we are essentially discussing human survival) will obviously bring out the best and worst in some in the most unpredictable of ways. Humans are truly cunning and fascinating creatures.

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Melodrama aside, if you find the comments of others disturbing you can always choose not to come to the site. It is really up to you whether you choose to be insulted or not.

Exactly my point, some of you support Dr. Niman being insulted and attacked. How lame.

you actually read stevie's posts?
I don't view it as mismanagement to allow spewing, but it would be censorship to remove them. The majority of the messages posted to the site do not involve insulting or condecending messages. There will always be a few who are unable to communicate in a coherent manner or in an intelligent manner. If you have any expereince with talk radio you will recognize the hyperbole and the hysteria as the trademark of the beast. It is actually a backward complement to be the target of such vitrol.

It is unfortunate though that interesting and thought provoking threads are "derailed" over and over again. You can manage without censorship.

Unfortunate, yes but you can't stop this type of activity. It's par for the course on the internet. Sadly, our government is even in on the act.

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/01/15-13

Article reports how "Cass Sunstein has long been one of Barack Obama's closest confidants." He is expected / tipped to be nominated to the supreme court.


Hmm.....they decide what's false?



Sunstein, an Orwellian wet dream, in the supreme court?

Freedom is Slavery my fellow Americans and yes Big Brother, I know you know where I live.

What's the relevance?

We have Trolls here folks just like everywhere else. Just try not to feed them !!

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I post my opinions, they may or may not differ from accepted officialdom, but they ARE protected under free speech. Please consult your doctor (or your own mind) should you choose to take this information further.

WWOTN,

I love your quote here. Re-read it and then go through and actually read the threads and posts. I particularly like the part where you say you don't view spewing as mismanagement. I have been censored on this forum a few times now because a user was full on making personal insults against Dr. Niman and myself. Now, as you mentioned with the talk radio set, they kinda like that in your face assault mentality as if it were a football game or a boxing match. You are right, talk radio is probably a good forum for conflicting in your face opinion and tense drama. BUT, this is a medical research forum and when the disenfranchised resort to insults because of their lack of education and expertise then it's time for them to go to a chat room somewhere...I suppose.

Let me say this. If you went to your DOCTOR and your doctor said It appears you have Herpes would you challenge your doctor and tell your doctor that they were just being a self serving egomaniac working on behalf of BIG PHARMA?
Would you then tell the doctor his opinion was just for the sake of self promotion? Come on people! This man, Dr. Niman, is trying to convey highly educated scientific information to try to help you! Am I the only person who gets this. Let's stay on task. My message was and is about the users who have and do insult Dr. Niman, period. You can insult me, I could care less. But, give this doctor some respect. I came here to READ his research and opinions not be a color analyst.

Can he fight his own battles? Sure he can. But, since when did we become a lynch mob in America? Am I being dramatic? Probably for the tough guys I am.

However if you possess any degree of grace and decency then you can read through the threads in which direct insults are exchanged. Other than that, go find a little old lady to beat up on or something tough guy. Oh yeah, Peace.

I'm a supporter of free exchange of ideas. Verbal abuse and flaming aside. I think it's great people have different opinions. Dr Niman is obviously a big boy and can answer (or not) for himself. Hes been defending his ideas for years.

I say moderate only blatant aggression.

Klhik

I understand your frustration, but really. Dr Niman in all the years I have followed him has never stood down from a attack and manages to turn the attack into great information that I truely value.

I think the mods are doing a great job keeping the flow of ideas going without being 'Mod Nazis' and giving us only a sanitised view of the world.


PS My ( Ex ) doctor recently told me not to get the vaccine and said widespread resistance to Relenza is occurring.

Khlix,

I'm betting you are about to get your own thread locked soon, how ironic.

So I did and some of your remarks are of exactly the same ilk.

Post subject: Re: Thank you Dr. Niman and a question of what's to come.
Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:21 am


People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

In other news..... a potentially catastrophic and deadly virus could wipe out much of the population of planet Earth.......

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