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 Post subject: Re: Vitamin D
PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:04 am 
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Ah, so you've brought this to the top yet again.

Will you answer once and for all, whether or not you are personally profiting from any involvement with Vitamin D, advising people to take it, or profiting by getting people to click on your links?


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 Post subject: Re: Vitamin D
PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:17 am 
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VJP,

Just stop your nonsense, please, just stop it. You constantly bait both myself and TMV. We all benefit from Vitamin d immensely. Just what the dickens do you guys here NOT get about the fact we have VDR receptors all throughout our bodies? How on earth do you think we can profit from Vitamin D? It is one of, if not THE, cheapest supplements available. Why? because you can't patent sunshine my friend. You think we all sell sunshine in a bottle... The abject ingnorance is mindboggling.

Answer me this one question if you can.

How do all vertebrates (terraforma based) on the planet metabolize calcium to build skeletal tissue in light of the huge forces of gravity?

Riddle me that Sherlock and you might get an aha moment.

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 Post subject: Re: Vitamin D
PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 2:33 am 
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GAGuidestone,

I don't think VJP is trying to say that vitamin D is unimportant or not worth discussing.

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(GAG to VJP)How on earth do you think we can profit from Vitamin D? It is one of, if not THE, cheapest supplements available.


You are referring here to a question VJP asked in a different thread.

First, let's get the red herring out of the way...the fact that a supplement isn't expensive doesn't mean someone can't profit from promoting it or selling it, so the fact that Vit D supps are "cheap" is irrelevant.

VJP's question was a legitimate one and shouldn't be dismissed with flippant comments about being unable to "patent sunshine." The supplement industry is big business, as is marketing those supplements. Likewise for selling and marketing the blood tests. Likewise again for the promotion of websites with interest in vitamin D. VJP wanted to know if TMV (and you, too, I'd guess) have any financial incentive in promoting vitamin D or other supplements (or vitamin D testing) or whether you profit financially in any way from doing so. To this, I'd add a question of my own about whether you are affiliated with any of the groups promoting vitamin D (e.g. Vit D Council) or other supplements. If you do profit financially or are affiliated with groups who promote vitamin D, it represents a conflict of interest and an obvious bias, and it puts your postings and intentions on FluTracker in a very different light.

Given how much people -- yourself and TMV included -- have complained that Big Pharma companies' information is untrustworthy due to conflicts of interest, it's only fair to know whether the two biggest promoters of vitamin D supplementation and testing on this website have an undisclosed conflict of interest.

It's not a spurious question, and everyone on the board deserves an honest answer.


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 Post subject: Re: Vitamin D
PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:09 am 
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VJP wrote:
saraseer wrote:
History would probably tell us that a conspiracy story has even been put forward somewhere sometime in your own country by your own countrymen.

Just sayin' :)


In Canada, eh?
They just get leftover American conspiracy theories 10 years later.
;)

Our favourite conspiracy is that THOSE Americans (closely alined with the THEY in many previous and other posts and threads), are stealing our water, lumber, culture and that the 9/11 attacks came from within the US with help from the 3rd gunman...oops, see! Our lack of vitamin D is sadly our own fault for choosing to live here in this frozen hell.

Just because I don't stick in those toxic similies does not eliminate the humour in my posts. You just have to read it. VJP and MKEY got it


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 Post subject: Re: Vitamin D
PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 4:43 pm 
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Well then please allow me to clarify for the board, ONCE AND FOR ALL, that I do NOT sell any product or supplement, Vitamin D related or otherwise. I have no conflict of interest here, just a keen interest in a topic that will help save lives. I have no affiliation with any group, website or company in which I could profit from my stance on Vitamin D or any other supplement for that matter. I did sign up for a vitamin d study through Grassrootshealth, which I have been very open about in previous vitamin d posts, as a means for myself to self check and monitor my own d levels for myself and my family. I chose this route over my own doctor because in addition to paying for the test with my doctor, I would have to also pay for the doctors visit. I pay grassrootshealth $40 for each test. With that money, I expect them to provide me with the service I expect and they promised. I expect them to fund additional research. I expect them to pay their overheads AND hopefully they have some left over to pay their staff whom also have mouths to feed. Also, the "assay" used at my docs office for the 25-Hydroxy test is not viewed as the "gold standard", grassroots' is. Furthermore, I use my purchase to help support research into this area and help support an organization whom I respect, admire and trust. No different to casting my vote for a political party whom I might believe alligned it's core beliefs with mine (actually both parties are two sides of the same coin but you get the crude analogy).

I say this with honesty, integrity and hand on heart, so help me god.

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