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 Post subject: Re: situation on Ukraine
PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 10:21 pm 
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ecoparity wrote:
niman wrote:
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Hello, and thanks,
I was referring to the notion that with such a high number of infections it would be relatively easy to take samples, and as far as I understood, producing the sequence is possible for any person who has some medical knowledge and who knows how to handle the equipment. But I'm actually not sure about this.
Just thought that some people who had the possibilities would investigate themselves rather than wait for the WHO to make an annoucement.
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No. The ball is in Mill Hill's court. No one else is sequencing.

They may be getting samples to confirm H1N1 or may be doing sequencing also. Many labs can sequence, but for H1N1, WHO regional labs do the most and are usually the quickest.

We just had an article posted that researchers from Poland are in the Ukraine taking samples for study. Does anyone besides the WHO take samples and sequence them? I had the impression quite a few researchers were doing this.

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 Post subject: Re: situation on Ukraine
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 Post subject: Re: situation on Ukraine
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A grad student I trade emails with here in the US (microbiology) was sequencing H1N1 in the University lab from samples they took from sick students back in June. When I asked him why not just grab the WHO sequences and fold them he said quite a few people around the World were doing the same thing.

I'm glad as it eliminates the wack a do theories about bio weapon swine flu and bio weapon vaccine / WHO cover ups. That's why I'm looking for estimates of the number of other hands on persons in the chain of virus and vaccine study / testing - it would be impossible to engage in such a conspiracy as the number of people required to be complicit is impossibly high.

Not that actually trying to understand the basis of something before making allegations about it is part of the W-a-D system.... It gets kind of hard to sell snake oil when people are educated.


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 Post subject: Re: situation on Ukraine
PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 11:03 pm 
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A grad student I trade emails with here in the US (microbiology) was sequencing H1N1 in the University lab from samples they took from sick students back in June. When I asked him why not just grab the WHO sequences and fold them he said quite a few people around the World were doing the same thing.

I'm glad as it eliminates the wack a do theories about bio weapon swine flu and bio weapon vaccine / WHO cover ups. That's why I'm looking for estimates of the number of other hands on persons in the chain of virus and vaccine study / testing - it would be impossible to engage in such a conspiracy as the number of people required to be complicit is impossibly high.

Not that actually trying to understand the basis of something before making allegations about it is part of the W-a-D system.... It gets kind of hard to sell snake oil when people are educated.

Check out WC Fields

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 Post subject: Re: situation on Ukraine
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 Post subject: Re: situation on Ukraine
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 Post subject: Re: situation on Ukraine
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niman wrote:

It seems that with these last commentaries you have really been prodding (or perhaps shaming) WHO to release the sequences. Keep up the good work.


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 Post subject: Re: situation on Ukraine
PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 5:00 am 
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Dr Niman,
Based on your latest commentaries I get the impression you are going with a small drift affecting the ability to infect humans, is there any way to know what kind of impact in terms of infections and deaths this might have?

I realize a lot of the CFR calculations are more after the fact than predictive but I'm wondering if we will see this type of activity in the US and when?


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 Post subject: Re: situation on Ukraine
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Health Minister of Ukraine Vasyl Knyazevich during the conference call expressed concern about the high threshold of morbidity among workers of medical field.

As on 06.11.2009, in Ukraine sick 687 physicians and more than 1500 young specialists. In quarantine areas the incidence ranges from 0.5% to 1.3% of the total number of doctors and from 0.5% to 1.2% of younger professionals. In addition, 4 physicians and 2 junior personnel died as a result of their professional duties.

This situation complicates the already difficult work of physicians who work with the excessive load. In order to support regions with the most complex epidemiological situation, the Ministry of Health of Ukraine formed more than 570 mobile teams, composed of family physicians, pediatricians, infectious disease, anesthesiologists and others. фахівці. specialists.

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Clinical expert commission MZ of Ukraine analyzed information on 90 cases of patients who died of bilateral COMMUNITY-ACQUIRED PNEUMONIA and primary care 39-documentation you sick of this category. This was reported during the telephone conference of Health of Ukraine headed by Minister of Health of Ukraine Vasily Knyazevich.

Check monitoring system allowed the expert committee to review the progress of disease that ended the severe consequences, and showed that in the history of disease was sometimes poorly prescribed history.

Health Minister of Ukraine Vasyl Knyazevich during the conference call asked the medical community with the request at this difficult time more vigilant in keeping medical records, to avoid charges of providing substandard care. "Already today, police removed medical records, so I ask you, so we did not have" cases doctors "carefully postavtes his duties, including on" paperwork. "I understand where difficult conditions are now physicians, patient value for life is every minute, but once again calls for the respect of all the formal stuff. V. Knyazevich noted that if removal of documents, the hospital should remain a copy of them to allow other medical specialists, ministries make their own conclusion.

As analysis showed, with 90 dead people constituted the largest proportion of young people, working age: 52 people aged 19 to 40 years, 26 people died at the age of 41-55 years, other cases have been reported in the elderly and children.

The symptoms are observed at different stages of disease - a fever with a temperature over 38 C, cough, respiratory disorders. When cough was characterized by negligible allocation phlegm or dry unproductive cough with blotches of blood. All the patients come to hospital on average by 3-7 days of onset, were in serious condition. Period of time from onset to death averaged from 4 to 7 days. In all patients during a hospital for signs of respiratory insufficiency of various degrees, which quickly rose and manifested accelerated respiration rate, shortness of breath and effectiveness of independent breathing. X-ray studies were performed on 1-2 day hospitalization. Most patients experienced a double-headed particles of lower lung lesion, followed by a trend towards total destruction.

All the conclusions of Clinical expert commission MZ of Ukraine were discussed with experts from WHO. Ministry of Health prepared and implemented a unified form of information gathering, as well as algorithms for examination of patients and clinical protocols during the response to the epidemic of influenza and pandemic influenza A \ H1N1 in the territory of Ukraine.

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