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 Post subject: Re: situation on Ukraine
PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:57 pm 
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"When, after five days of treatment at home I suffocation and sisters took me to hospital where doctors said:" NOW in the resuscitation! "
A resident of Transcarpathia, which attempt to treat the infection and earned pneumonia, fortunately, managed to save. Recently from the intensive care the woman was transferred to the pulmonology
Jaroslav Galasy "FACTS" (Uzhgorod)

One of the most severe complications of the current flu epidemic - is a rapidly developing pneumonia, which in the case of late delivery of skilled medical care may lead to death. Treatment of pneumonia takes an average of twenty days, so find a patient who already had the disease since the epidemic began, it was not easy.

Valeria Dolgosh from the village Storozhnitsa near Uzhgorod is still in hospital but her condition today is described as satisfactory. On Tuesday, the patient was transferred from the intensive care department of Uzhhorod Central City Clinical Hospital (TSGKB) in pulmonary. The woman, who last week brought back into intensive care at the wheelchair and which practically no longer able to breathe independently, from our experience how dangerous the disease can be treated at home.

"Breast oppressed, and I really got scared"
Valeria Mikhailovna husky voice, from time to time she begins to cough. It is evident that the words given to her easily.

- I have been a dispatcher at the railway station, - says Valery Dolgosh. - Three days at work, three - at home. A station is a large number of people, that's picked up from someone a virus. My last shift ended on Sunday 25 October, and I felt like no matter how just returned home. Night the temperature rose sharply - up to 40, then 40.3 and 41 degrees. I took aspirin and other anti-fever pills, which managed to reduce fever, but sleep was impossible. On Monday morning, seemed to become a little easier, and then came back shivering and fever up to 39 degrees. Trips her pills, but they only helped for a while, a maximum of two to three hours. From Tuesday promulgated suppressing anti syrups, such as Coldrex and koldflyu. They brought some relief, but also only for a while. And then it got really bad. Thursday all day, I still somehow persisted, even tried to cook something in the kitchen. And when the evening lay in bed, felt that not enough air. Turned from side to side, trying to find a comfortable position, but it did not help - chest pressed, I was choking, I really got scared.

She called her sister, said that to me really bad, and she took me to the regional infectious diseases hospital. Having X-rays and looking at pictures, the doctor rebuked me: "Why so long pulled? Disease has been neglected." But explain something I was not able to. Of the infectious diseases hospital I was taken to city hospital admitting department (it is located next door), where a physician after examination said: "Immediately in the intensive care unit. While I was taken in a wheelchair on the eighth floor, I could hardly breathe.

Valeria Mikhailovna again clears his throat and continues:

- Night on Thursday and the next day proved to be the most difficult. Breathe easier, because I put an oxygen mask, but always kept a high temperature, which is quite emaciated me. For a long time I was between sleeping and waking, and then started raving: I had visions of relatives - living and dead. It was very hard. But then the treatment has the result, and it was a relief. Only his head continued to ache badly. It seemed that I had absolutely no strength left.

I am very grateful to the doctors who were always nearby, watching every change in my body. Severe disease managed to win only because of their attention and professional actions ...

Since the beginning of his illness, I closely followed the news, saw how quickly the country spread flu epidemic and has repeatedly heard that in no case be engaged in self-medicate. And she did the opposite. You see, our people are not accustomed to, if something is sick, contact your doctor, do so only when it gets really bad. I never thought that the disease can develop so rapidly, that and reached out to resuscitation. Now tell my relatives and friends: "Do not take an example from me. Feel that something is wrong - immediately contact your doctor. It is better to be safe than to be in my situation ..."

"If any part of the world, even remote from the Ukraine, there are new strains of influenza, we also need to prepare for them"
- The patient was sent to intensive care because she had a pronounced inflammatory process, in which the body responded very hard, - said the head of the resuscitation unit Uzhgorod TSGKB Ivan Kalabiga. - The diagnosis was: acute right-sided middle and lower part pneumonia with respiratory failure. In the lungs, and other vital organs of the disease, fortunately, did not manage to catch, but the woman's condition was still serious.

What exactly caused Valerie Dolgosh pneumonia, we do not know. For laboratory research requires time, moreover, to compare blood on the day the patient and within a week of treatment. However, the course of the disease indicates that it most likely triggered the virus. The inflammatory process was particularly acute because the woman suffers from other chronic diseases.

Pneumonia affects the part of the lungs, which falls out of gas exchange, providing a breath. The body reacts to a high temperature, cough, respiratory failure. And this in turn causes other negative processes and complications, which, due to delays in treatment can cause death. Last week in Uzhgorod died of pneumonia 49-year-old man, who was involved in self-medicate at home and too late to a hospital. Our patient inflammation struck nearly two-thirds of the right lung. This is a lot, but nothing happened. Now female organism in the normal state, but it remains to be getting completely healthy in Pulmonology.

I want to say that seasonal viral diseases accompanied by and in the future will be accompanied by men. And if in some parts of the world, even remote from the Ukraine, there are new strains of influenza, under the present conditions of life, when the boundary is no longer under lock and key, to be ready, sooner or later, these diseases may arise among us. In the West, confronting epidemics through immunization. We have vaccinations to some extent compromised, but people should understand that other methods of protection for today no. Preventive vaccines for decades, have proven effective, so they can not refuse, it will lead to a much worse outcome. Another question that should probably pay more attention to quality and reliability of the vaccine ...

With regard to counter the current epidemic, then something fundamentally new, I will not say. To avoid contamination, be an elementary care of himself: she can not appear in crowded places, do not hesitate to use the gauze bandage, and when the first symptoms of the disease - not to engage in self-medicate, and to see a doctor ...

http://facts.kiev.ua/archive/2009-11-06 ... index.html

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 Post subject: Re: situation on Ukraine
PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:07 pm 
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Ukraine update up to #2 at NewsNow

http://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/Hot+Topics/F ... lu?type=ts

Also discussed yesterday (when level was under 1/2 million)

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 Post subject: Re: situation on Ukraine
PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:40 pm 
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Commentary

http://www.recombinomics.com/News/11070 ... q_NOT.html

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 Post subject: Re: situation on Ukraine
PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:36 pm 
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Dr. Niman

Did you ever seen more information about the E627K in PB2 from the netherlands, then we could find on the internet ?

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 Post subject: Re: situation on Ukraine
PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:38 pm 
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Business New Europe: 12 million Ukrainians could be infected with flu by end of 2010 :shock:


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It seems the virus that's on the loose in Ukraine has mutated into a more virulent form, says the World Heath Organisation (WHO). bne was commissioned to write a report on the bird flu virus a few years ago by the WHO and attended the scientific conferences in the Hague ahead of the political meetings to coordinate a response a few months later in Geneva. The scientists then warned that the danger of these viruses was not the current form, which can kill though isn't particularly lethal, but the fact that this family of "animal" viruses are very unstable and can easily mutate into more contagious and deadly forms; in order to jump across the species divide, the virus has to be almost by definition unstable if it is to be able to adapt itself to attack first an avian or porcine host and then move into humans. Once in humans, the virus continues to adapt and while the avian version never changed into a form that did much damage, the porcine virus seems to have mutated into a more contagious form in Ukraine, albeit not particularly deadly yet.

I heard this before, somewhere :glare:
http://www.kyivpost.com/news/nation/detail/52041/

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 Post subject: Re: situation on Ukraine
PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:49 pm 
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snatamur wrote:
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Business New Europe: 12 million Ukrainians could be infected with flu by end of 2010 :shock:


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It seems the virus that's on the loose in Ukraine has mutated into a more virulent form, says the World Heath Organisation (WHO). bne was commissioned to write a report on the bird flu virus a few years ago by the WHO and attended the scientific conferences in the Hague ahead of the political meetings to coordinate a response a few months later in Geneva. The scientists then warned that the danger of these viruses was not the current form, which can kill though isn't particularly lethal, but the fact that this family of "animal" viruses are very unstable and can easily mutate into more contagious and deadly forms; in order to jump across the species divide, the virus has to be almost by definition unstable if it is to be able to adapt itself to attack first an avian or porcine host and then move into humans. Once in humans, the virus continues to adapt and while the avian version never changed into a form that did much damage, the porcine virus seems to have mutated into a more contagious form in Ukraine, albeit not particularly deadly yet.

I heard this before, somewhere :glare:
http://www.kyivpost.com/news/nation/detail/52041/

:hello: hat tip google

:hello: Hat tip google

Stupid report at the end he say's this...

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Happily, the good news is that from the appearance of a virus it usually takes up to six months to develop a vaccine and this period has already passed and a vaccine is already available. Inoculations are the most effective way to bringing a virus under control and this process has already started. Other simple hygiene precautions are also very effective in slowing the spread of the virus such as washing your hands regularly and wearing facemasks in public places.

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 Post subject: Re: situation on Ukraine
PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 12:02 am 
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Bad news for Polish citizens

http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/6443 ... ccination/

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Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk said on Friday that his government won't buy vaccines for swine flu that have not been properly tested or from producers who won't take responsibility for possible side effects.

Tusk told reporters that vaccine producers were pressuring governments to buy, but were also demanding that all responsibility and compensation for possible negative side effects fall upon government shoulders.


I know for a fact that the Polish government is pursuing an aggressive nuclear power expansion. Perhaps they could borrow a couple of people from their nuclear safety authority to educate these ignorant politicians in how to do a probabilistic risk assessment.

If you were lying on a bed, dying, and someone held out in his hand the only thing that would save you, would you want a written absolution of all responsibility before you would quaff from the golden cup? What if it was a truly magical substance that would prevent you from getting sick in the first place?

Well, I just have to chalk it up to evolution in action....


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 Post subject: Re: situation on Ukraine
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Let Donald Suks clean the floors at the hospitals in Lviv, Ukraine.

Oh, sorry Donald, it's Tusk

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 Post subject: Re: situation on Ukraine
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I understand the number of infections and deaths and how rapidly they are occurring have the World concerned and I'm guessing the WHO looks at this as a trend which would lead to a very bad situation.

The issue I see with that is the way this virus has began to trend that way in previous outbreaks but then fallen off sharply (Mexico, Argentina, etc).

I can't say for sure it will do this in Ukraine also but am I wrong to see this as creating a period of bad forecasting each time? What is it about this virus that causes it to behave this way?

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 Post subject: Re: situation on Ukraine
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I understand the number of infections and deaths and how rapidly they are occurring have the World concerned and I'm guessing the WHO looks at this as a trend which would lead to a very bad situation.

The issue I see with that is the way this virus has began to trend that way in previous outbreaks but then fallen off sharply (Mexico, Argentina, etc).

I can't say for sure it will do this in Ukraine also but am I wrong to see this as creating a period of bad forecasting each time? What is it about this virus that causes it to behave this way?

(changed trending data to "forecasting")

All viral infections trace as peaks. The virus continues to s[pread, leading to new cases until there is enough herd immunity in the area to limit further infections, and then the infections begin to decline.

There tends to be more deaths early because the patient does respond to treatment (anti-virals and/or respirators) and initially patients don't realize how dangerous the virus is and don't seek treatment until it is too late, so more die.

In Ukraine the number of cases is rising very quickly, raising concerns that the peak will be much bigger, creating more infections in deaths. If this is due to a chnage in the virus, this scenario will be played out across the northern hemisphere in the next few months.

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