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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 9:50 am 
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unfortunately that document is very long and no summary

seems that the military had bad effectiveness of the H1-part
of LAIV

Unfortunately, you continue to post UTTTER NONSENSE. The committee voted to leave alll three vaccine targets UNCHANGED for the 2011/2012 season.
Go back to your babble board where someone might believe your fanatsies. You have ZERO credibility.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 10:06 am 
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http://www.eurosurveillance.org/ViewArt ... leId=19843
The crude VE estimate for the 2010/11 vaccine was 46% , similar to other European studies.

2006/7:32%
2007/8:60%
2008/9:20%
2009/10:48%
2010/1:46%

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 10:13 am 
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Dingo wrote:
niman wrote:
REALITY:

The military recruits, again, a captive population, essentially 100 percent immunized and, for the purposes of this slide, 100 percent immunized with the LAIV. Two sites that did receive TIV were excluded from this analysis.
We had a very remarkable increase in infections with pandemic H1N1 in recent weeks in our recruits. That is very unusual for us. Highly vaccinated, we do see influenza in that highly vaccinated population. We take those seriously, in case they are breakthroughs to see if there is drift of the circulating strains from the vaccine. But this is very unusual to see so many of late.


Where's that from?

Just to clarify, the Air Force provided real data that the vaccine against H1N1 wasn't working. The CDC claimed that the low reactors detected by Mill Hill was "lab error" due to the cell line being used to identify low reactors. The CDC has created this fake assay which doesn't detect low rectors to they can claim that the vaccine is a "match" and does not need to be changed, which is why they are a hazard to the world's health and why there is concern about the Chihuahua sub-clade, becasue the massive vaccination program using California/07 to control it spread will FAIL.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 10:14 am 
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niman wrote:
Dingo wrote:
niman wrote:
REALITY:

The military recruits, again, a captive population, essentially 100 percent immunized and, for the purposes of this slide, 100 percent immunized with the LAIV. Two sites that did receive TIV were excluded from this analysis.
We had a very remarkable increase in infections with pandemic H1N1 in recent weeks in our recruits. That is very unusual for us. Highly vaccinated, we do see influenza in that highly vaccinated population. We take those seriously, in case they are breakthroughs to see if there is drift of the circulating strains from the vaccine. But this is very unusual to see so many of late.


Where's that from?

This is from the Air Force presentation at the US vaccine selection meeting, where there was one abstension and the rest voted to AGAIN use California/07/2009 as the H1N1 target for 2011/2012.
Full transcript is here
http://www.fda.gov/advisorycommittees/c ... 249303.htm


Thanks.

Even just on that, it's obvious that the vaccine is failing.

Look on the bright side for you Dr N - every day where you are it's getting warmer, and down here it's getting colder....

On the other hand, this does have an eerie echo to events 2 years ago.

If it it follows the script of two years, then there will be Yanks going for holiday in Mexico about now, and returning with a nasty little gift from Mexico. From memory, the USA had an unusual and nasty summer of of flu in 2009.

It's not good news on any level. And I'd bet govts either i the northern or southern hemispheres are utterly clueless about what is about to hit them.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 10:16 am 
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niman wrote:
Just to clarify, the Air Force provided real data that the vaccine against H1N1 wasn't working. The CDC claimed that the low reactors detected by Mill Hill was "lab error" due to the cell line being used to identify low reactors. The CDC has created this fake assay which doesn't detect low rectors to they can claim that the vaccine is a "match" and does not need to be changed, which is why they are a hazard to the world's health and why there is concern about the Chihuahua sub-clade, becasue the massive vaccination program using California/07 to control it spread will FAIL.


Thanks.

Wasn't there also data from the UK that showed a high vax failure rate?


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 10:22 am 
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gsgs wrote:
http://www.eurosurveillance.org/ViewArticle.aspx?ArticleId=19843
The crude VE estimate for the 2010/11 vaccine was 46% , similar to other European studies.

2006/7:32%
2007/8:60%
2008/9:20%
2009/10:48%
2010/1:46%


VE = Vax effectiveness?

Interesting.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 10:23 am 
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Dingo wrote:
niman wrote:
Just to clarify, the Air Force provided real data that the vaccine against H1N1 wasn't working. The CDC claimed that the low reactors detected by Mill Hill was "lab error" due to the cell line being used to identify low reactors. The CDC has created this fake assay which doesn't detect low rectors to they can claim that the vaccine is a "match" and does not need to be changed, which is why they are a hazard to the world's health and why there is concern about the Chihuahua sub-clade, becasue the massive vaccination program using California/07 to control it spread will FAIL.


Thanks.

Wasn't there also data from the UK that showed a high vax failure rate?

Yes, and that was the basis of the low reactor question regarding Mill Hill and the CDC tried to blame the assay.

The bottom line is the receptor binding domain changes near position 190 (S186S, S188T, A189T) are effective in immunologocal esacpe, but the CDC "antigen characterization" test rarely picks these changes up (last season all CDC H1N1 low reactors in the US had changes at position 159).

It is a GARBAGE assay used for propaganda claims of vaccine match, and the Chihuahua sub-clade will extract a HEAVY price for the game being played by the CDC.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 10:34 am 
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niman wrote:
Dingo wrote:
niman wrote:
Just to clarify, the Air Force provided real data that the vaccine against H1N1 wasn't working. The CDC claimed that the low reactors detected by Mill Hill was "lab error" due to the cell line being used to identify low reactors. The CDC has created this fake assay which doesn't detect low rectors to they can claim that the vaccine is a "match" and does not need to be changed, which is why they are a hazard to the world's health and why there is concern about the Chihuahua sub-clade, becasue the massive vaccination program using California/07 to control it spread will FAIL.


Thanks.

Wasn't there also data from the UK that showed a high vax failure rate?

Yes, and that was the basis of the low reactor question regarding Mill Hill and the CDC tried to blame the assay.

The bottom line is the receptor binding domain changes near position 190 (S186S, S188T, A189T) are effective in immunologocal esacpe, but the CDC "antigen characterization" test rarely picks these changes up (last season all CDC H1N1 low reactors in the US had changes at position 159).

It is a GARBAGE assay used for propaganda claims of vaccine match, and the Chihuahua sub-clade will extract a HEAVY price for the game being played by the CDC.

Speaking of CDC games, they are also in denial about the importance of D225G:

"This difference is statistically significant and our data are consistent with a possible relationship between this mutation and the clinical outcome," says the report by A. Kilander and colleagues, published today in Eurosurveillance. "To our knowledge, this is the first identification of a change in the pandemic virus that correlates with a severe clinical outcome."

However, Dr. Nancy Cox, director of the Influenza Division at the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), said global H1N1 data so far do not show a clear association between the mutation and severe illness.

"If you look globally you can see that this mutation is neither necessary nor sufficient for a severe or fatal outcome," Cox told CIDRAP News.

http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/conten ... ation.html

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 10:45 am 
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> With that, this is the conclusion. As I mentioned, for H1N1, representative
> recent pandemic A(H1N1) virus was covered well by the vaccine
> containing A/California/07-like virus

there should be other reasons for the bad US-army H1-effectiveness

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UK: http://www.eurosurveillance.org/images/ ... t19791.pdf
2009/10 , monovalent adjusted vaccine effectiveness 34%
2010/11 , trivalent: 46%
both : 63%
I'm surprised about the 34% since the pandemrix in 2009/10 was said to have been
very effective in other studies

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NL: http://www.eurosurveillance.org/ViewArt ... leId=19843
The crude VE estimate for the 2010/11 vaccine was 46% , similar to other European studies.
2006/7:32%
2007/8:60%
2008/9:20%
2009/10:48%
2010/1:46%

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US-army:
http://www.fda.gov/advisorycommittees/c ... 249303.htm
2010/1: 0%(H1),64%(H3),61%(B)

2010/1: 41%(H1), overall 81%
2010/1: overall TIV:60% , LAIV:30%

Kentucky/9/2010. There is a severe mutation in amino acid 155.
Here it is right in the critical region of 155-158.

now you can see that the HI titer from reassortant 179A or 181 have a relatively higher titer,

With that, this is the conclusion. As I mentioned, for H1N1, representative recent pandemic A(H1N1) virus was covered well by the vaccine containing A/California/07-like virus

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