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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 12:40 pm 
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Special interview on H3N2 pandemic (H3N2pdm11) at midnight (EST) on Dec 1

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 6:14 pm 
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New Flu Strain Makes Health Experts Nervous

Is a new strain of H3N2 swine flu a danger to public health or just to the reputations of public health experts?

By Helen Branswell | December 2, 2011



This H3N2 poses similar naming challenges. There is already a human H3N2 — a distant cousin of this pig virus — so some way to differentiate the viruses is needed. Pork producers are concerned about how communications about the virus will be handled, admits Paul Sundberg, vice-president for science and technology for the National Pork Board, who says his group has already met with officials at the Centers for Disease Prevention and Control in Atlanta to discuss the naming challenging.


http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... from-swine

The naming is simple. It is named just as the trH1N1 pandemic virus was named, H1N1pdm09 (serotype followed by the pdm abreviation for pandemic, followed by the year the pandemic began) i.e. H3N2pdm11.

The CDC is using Branswell to spread PURE propaganda. There is no problem distinguishing seasonal H3N2 from trH3N2. trH3N2 stands of triple reassortant, which scientifically describes the H3N2 that evolved in swine and reflects the well known history. The S-OtrH3N2 is just for the CDC's propaganda campaign to keep its "swine exposure" narative alive. The S-O (Swine-Origin) and tr (triple reassortant) are REDUNDANT. It's the equivalent of calling HIV the HIV virus, or SOIV the SOIV virus.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 8:08 pm 
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 8:49 pm 
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The naming is simple. It is named just as the trH1N1 pandemic virus was named, H1N1pdm09 (serotype followed by the pdm abreviation for pandemic, followed by the year the pandemic began) i.e. H3N2pdm11.


H3N2pdm11 ..... that rolls trippingly off the tongue :hmm: .... I think that from a CDC or WHO standpoint, that is a descriptive enough name [at such point that it meets the definition of a pandemic] ..... but how about a name that the regular folk and the media can relate to and translates into other languages? That is the issue. History has taught us that there is both a stigma and an economic consequence to having a flu attached to your country or industry (poultry, swine, tourism, etc). Early on, some reports called h1n1 Mexican flu, then it became swine flu, against the wishes of the swine industry. In eastern Europe, they seemed to call H1N1 California flu because the strain in the vaccine was from California. History has not shown that the Spanish flu originated in Spain. It would be unfair to call it a swine flu if it is a triple reassortant of human, swine and bird, plus maybe started its spread among the humans.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 8:55 pm 
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The naming is simple. It is named just as the trH1N1 pandemic virus was named, H1N1pdm09 (serotype followed by the pdm abreviation for pandemic, followed by the year the pandemic began) i.e. H3N2pdm11.


H3N2pdm11 ..... that rolls trippingly off the tongue :hmm: .... I think that from a CDC or WHO standpoint, that is a descriptive enough name [at such point that it meets the definition of a pandemic] ..... but how about a name that the regular folk and the media can relate to and translates into other languages? That is the issue. History has taught us that there is both a stigma and an economic consequence to having a flu attached to your country or industry (poultry, swine, tourism, etc). Early on, some reports called h1n1 Mexican flu, then it became swine flu, against the wishes of the swine industry. In eastern Europe, they seemed to call H1N1 California flu because the strain in the vaccine was from California. History has not shown that the Spanish flu originated in Spain. It would be unfair to call it a swine flu if it is a triple reassortant of human, swine and bird, plus maybe started its spread among the humans.

trH3N2 would distinuguish it from seasonal H3N2, but not the trH3N2 in swine that have not jumped to humans (and there are many versions in swine). S-OtrH3N2 isn't based on any science, its PURE politics.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 9:01 pm 
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The naming is simple. It is named just as the trH1N1 pandemic virus was named, H1N1pdm09 (serotype followed by the pdm abreviation for pandemic, followed by the year the pandemic began) i.e. H3N2pdm11.


H3N2pdm11 ..... that rolls trippingly off the tongue :hmm: .... I think that from a CDC or WHO standpoint, that is a descriptive enough name [at such point that it meets the definition of a pandemic] ..... but how about a name that the regular folk and the media can relate to and translates into other languages? That is the issue. History has taught us that there is both a stigma and an economic consequence to having a flu attached to your country or industry (poultry, swine, tourism, etc). Early on, some reports called h1n1 Mexican flu, then it became swine flu, against the wishes of the swine industry. In eastern Europe, they seemed to call H1N1 California flu because the strain in the vaccine was from California. History has not shown that the Spanish flu originated in Spain. It would be unfair to call it a swine flu if it is a triple reassortant of human, swine and bird, plus maybe started its spread among the humans.

Just to clarify, all of the SOIV's were called "swine flu" prior to the pandemic. In fact when the various double and triple reassortants appeared, swine H1N1 was called "classical swine flu" to distinguish it from various other swine flu's. The media started the nonsense about it being called swine flu when it because a pandemic, which is based on some fantasy.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 9:30 pm 
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Vaccine virus for novel H3N2 based on 2010 swine flu strain
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Dec 2, 2011 (CIDRAP News) – The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) got a head start on preparing a vaccine against the novel swine-origin influenza strain recently found in four states by using a slightly different swine-origin strain that cropped up last year, CDC officials said today.

Since early September, the CDC has reported 10 infections with a swine-origin H3N2 reassortant strain that includes the M gene from the 2009 pandemic H1N1 (pH1N1) virus. On Nov 22 the CDC reported that it had prepared a vaccine virus and was providing it to vaccine manufacturers as a precaution in case the novel virus spreads.

A flu update from the World Health Organization (WHO) today revealed that the vaccine virus is based on an isolate that was collected in Minnesota in 2010. A CDC official told CIDRAP News that the isolate is from a pair of swine-origin H3N2 infections that occurred in Minnesota in November 2010. Those cases were among five swine-origin H3N2 cases reported in three states during the 2010-11 flu season.

The 2010 strain is not an exact match for the recent novel H3N2 isolates, but it is close enough to be the basis for a vaccine, said Michael Shaw, PhD, associate director for laboratory science in the CDC's Influenza Division.

"Since we were seeing these cases popping up sporadically, over the summer the decision was made to go ahead and try to make a high-yield reassortant [for a vaccine], and it turned out to be a good decision, to have it in reserve," Shaw said.

He said it takes several weeks to prepare a flu vaccine virus. In the case of the 2009 pandemic, the task took about 6 weeks, from Apr 15 to the end of May, which was considered fast, he noted.

The reason the Minnesota isolate was chosen was that it was the only one available at the time that grew in eggs, Shaw explained. "Vaccine strains need to be egg-derived, because inactivated vaccines are grown in eggs," he said. "This one from November 2010 is not like the new reassortant in that it doesn't have that M gene from the H1N1 strain. But the HA [hemagglutinin] is close enough to be a good vaccine match."

Hemagglutinin is the viral surface protein that is recognized and targeted by the human immune system. The protein often mutates, making it necessary to formulate new vaccines.

Shaw said the hemagglutinin of the 2010 isolate is very closely related to the version found on the recent swine-origin viruses. "We've characterized it genetically and antigenically, so it would be an acceptable vaccine strain, which is why we decided to distribute it to the manufacturers, so they can get some experience with it and grow it, in case they have to scale up."

"All the major manufacturers are looking at it," he said. The CDC provides the virus to any US or foreign manufacturer that wants it.

To make a vaccine virus, the CDC first takes clinical isolates and puts them in eggs to see if they will grow, Shaw explained. Once an isolate that grows in eggs is identified, it is recombined with a laboratory strain that grows well in eggs. That task is handled by a separate lab at New York Medical College. The desired product is a "high-yield reassortant": a virus with internal genes from the lab strain and surface genes from the clinical isolate.

After a high-yield reassortant is obtained, it must be characterized to make sure it hasn't changed too much in the course of the lab manipulations, Shaw said. "There's a great deal of consultation with the FDA [Food and Drug Administration] and the WHO to reach the conclusion that it is the best one for its purposes," he added. "So about 6 weeks for the pandemic one, that's a very good timeline."

Since the creation of the vaccine virus from the 2010 isolate, the CDC has succeeded in growing one of the more recent novel H3N2 viruses, from an Indiana case, in eggs, but "we don't have a high-yield reassortant available for it," Shaw said. "For now the Minnesota one is the only one that's egg-derived and for which we have a high-yield reassortant."

Shaw said no more infections with the novel H3N2 strain have been reported since the three that were cited in Iowa children on Nov 22. Those cases were believed to involve person-to-person transmission, since the children attended the same daycare center and none of them had any exposure to pigs.

Nine of the 10 recent cases have been in children; all the patients recovered. Besides the Iowa illnesses, the cases include 2 in Indiana, 3 in Pennsylvania, and 2 in Maine.

See also:

Dec 2 WHO flu update mentioning the vaccine virus

WHO details on vaccine virus

Nov 23 CIDRAP News story

Nov 22 CDC statement



Sep 2 CIDRAP News story about the first of the 10 recent novel H3N2 cases

Jun 2 CIDRAP News story

June 3 MMWR article describing five swine-origin H3N2 cases during 2010-11 flu season, including two in Minnesota

http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/conten ... ne-jw.html

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 9:35 pm 
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Vaccine virus for novel H3N2 based on 2010 swine flu strain
Robert Roos News Editor



"Since we were seeing these cases popping up sporadically, over the summer the decision was made to go ahead and try to make a high-yield reassortant [for a vaccine], and it turned out to be a good decision, to have it in reserve," Shaw said.


http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/conten ... ne-jw.html

CIDRAP almost exactly 4 months late on the "news"

CDC Testing Pandemic trH3N2 Vaccine
Recombinomics Commentary 21:50
August 3, 2011

The CDC has released sequences (at GISAID) of new constructs, A/Minnesota/11/2010 X-203 and A/Minnesota/11/2010 X-203A, indicating these isolates are undergoing testing as pandemic trH3N2 vaccine target. The first human case of trH3N2 in the United States was reported in late 2009.......

http://www.recombinomics.com/News/08031 ... ccine.html

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 9:42 pm 
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Vaccine virus for novel H3N2 based on 2010 swine flu strain
Robert Roos News Editor



"Since we were seeing these cases popping up sporadically, over the summer the decision was made to go ahead and try to make a high-yield reassortant [for a vaccine], and it turned out to be a good decision, to have it in reserve," Shaw said.


http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/conten ... ne-jw.html

CIDRAP almost exactly 4 months late on the "news"

CDC Testing Pandemic trH3N2 Vaccine
Recombinomics Commentary 21:50
August 3, 2011

The CDC has released sequences (at GISAID) of new constructs, A/Minnesota/11/2010 X-203 and A/Minnesota/11/2010 X-203A, indicating these isolates are undergoing testing as pandemic trH3N2 vaccine target. The first human case of trH3N2 in the United States was reported in late 2009.......

http://www.recombinomics.com/News/08031 ... ccine.html

WHO on vaccine seed stocks

http://www.who.int/influenza/vaccines/v ... 111107.pdf
7 November 2011
Candidate vaccine viruses
Parent virus
Candidate vaccine virus
Type of virus or reassortant
Developing institute
Available from
A/Minnesota/11/
2010
Wild type virus
CDC, USA
NYMC X-203
Classical
New York Medical College, USA
NYMC, USA
CDC, USA
NYMC X-203A
Classical
New York Medical College, USA
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 9:47 pm 
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Three cases of human infection with a novel influenza A virus in children were recently reported by the United States of America. The virus is a reassortant between the swine-origin Influenza triple reassortant A(H3N2) viruses circulating in the swine population in the United States of America since 1998 and the A(H1N1)pdm09 virus (M gene only). Sequences of whole genomes of the three viruses have been uploaded in GISAID. A candidate reassortant vaccine virus developed from A/Minnesota/11/2010 is available. The WHO Global Influenza Surveillance and Response System (GISRS) has been informed and guidance to laboratories using CDC real-time RT-PCR diagnostic kits to detect this new reassortant virus has been issued.

http://www.who.int/influenza/gisrs_labo ... index.html

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