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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:42 pm 
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CIDRAP version

links at bottom to the Times of India and to a 9/09 ProMed item

http://www.cidrap.umn.edu//cidrap/conte ... on-jw.html

Pandemic H1N1 mutation in India resembles Dutch findings

Lisa Schnirring * Staff Writer

Mar 16, 2010 (CIDRAP News) – Researchers from India's National Institute of Virology (NIV) yesterday announced that they detected a small mutation in pandemic H1N1 virus in samples from three patients, fueling speculation that it may be the same change that surfaced in two Dutch patients last fall.

Experts say if the two mutations are the same it doesn't appear to have much clinical significance, though the development is worth monitoring, because the change could theoretically enhance viral replication and virulence.

Indian researchers said the throat swab samples from the patients show a small mutation in the polymerase 2 (PB2), gene, the Times of India reported today. Dr A.C. Mishra, the NIV's director, said the virus was not resistant to oseltamivir (Tamiflu).

Dr Michael Shaw, associate director of the US Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) Laboratory Science Influenza Division, told CIDRAP News that he doesn't have any more details on the Indian findings aside from the Times of India story. However, he said the researchers' description sounds like the E627K mutation that was first reported by a group from the Netherlands at the end of September.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:47 pm 
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They added that the clinical and epidemiological significance of the mutation is unclear and that experimental infection of ferrets with the H1N1 virus containing the mutation did not suggest increased shedding, virulence, or transmissibility.

Shaw said nothing stood out about the Dutch patients—the mutation didn't appear to give the virus a transmission advantage. If the mutation described by the Indian researchers turns out to be the E627K in PB2 mutation, "it's an interesting observation, but probably irrelevant clinically," he said.


http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/conten ... on-jw.html

Once again the CDC is hanging its hat on NEGATIVE experimental data. Ferrets infected with H1N1 with D225G also did not appear unusual. However, in 1918/1919 two of five fatal HUMAN cases had D225G and in Ukraine 27/37 fatal HUMAN lung samples had D225G/N. Once again the CDC is using negative animal data to say to not believe your lyin' eyes with regard to dead H1N1 patients in 1918/1919 or 2009/2010.

Speaking of clusters, E627K is in ALL human seasonal flu since 1918.

The CDC/WHO formula is to set up an experiment to simulate natural influenza history and then use the negative experimental data to refute the natural history!
Influenza is ALL about politics.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 9:46 pm 
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 11:08 pm 
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The CDC/WHO formula is to set up an experiment to simulate natural influenza history and then use the negative experimental data to refute the natural history!
Influenza is ALL about politics.


In the archive of statements that ring true on this site...

This one is the Apex.

How completely poignant! :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 11:27 pm 
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I say we have gone this route before with the Ukranian situation. With Influenza it is always changing, so I think the change is worth monitoring, but I am with the others in the article. Keep and eye on it. What else can be done. Nothing.
The h1n1 started way before last April. Many have said it stared late 2008. The word is get vaccinated.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 11:30 pm 
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I say we have gone this route before with the Ukranian situation. With Influenza it is always changing, so I think the change is worth monitoring, but I am with the others in the article. Keep and eye on it. What else can be done. Nothing.
The h1n1 started way before last April. Many have said it stared late 2008. The word is get vaccinated.



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I don't know sutter, something tells me we're not in Kansas anymore...

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I feel like a frog in a pot - and strangely, the water is starting to bubble.


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sutter58 wrote:
I say we have gone this route before with the Ukranian situation. With Influenza it is always changing, so I think the change is worth monitoring, but I am with the others in the article. Keep and eye on it. What else can be done. Nothing.
The h1n1 started way before last April. Many have said it stared late 2008. The word is get vaccinated.



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I don't know sutter, something tells me we're not in Kansas anymore...

Yes, evolution is alive and well and PREDICTABLE.

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You opened the door to this one, Dr. Niman.

If it's predictable, what is your best estimate for the NEXT leg of this evolution? I know it could probably branch in multiple directions, but which of those directions do you feel is a reasonable prediction?


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You opened the door to this one, Dr. Niman.

If it's predictable, what is your best estimate for the NEXT leg of this evolution? I know it could probably branch in multiple directions, but which of those directions do you feel is a reasonable prediction?

E627K will be fixed by the next wave,

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