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PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 11:57 pm 
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SteveMartin wrote:
So...the CDS/WHO essentially is failing to publish the truth about D225G because they want to save face when they could be doing far more to warn people and avoid a potentially deadly outbreak of something truly virulent?

Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me....

If the CDC/WHO is covering up D225G, it is most likely only because it isn't yet serious enough (deadly enough) for them to react. Seriously, I think they're waiting for a massive outbreak somewhere before they ring the fire alarm. Until then, the situation is neutral and doesn't require their attention. They're reactionary.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 6:29 am 
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Now this should be fun:

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases ... 87487.html


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 8:01 am 
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SteveMartin wrote:
So...the CDS/WHO essentially is failing to publish the truth about D225G because they want to save face when they could be doing far more to warn people and avoid a potentially deadly outbreak of something truly virulent?

Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me....


There is no conspiracy. WHO and CDC are closely tied to governments.
Governments, for economic problems and panic do not want to inform the public.
Keep in mind that in 2009 broke the most serious economic crisis since that of 1929.
Many people, also intelligent and high level of culture can’t stand the stress of the evolution of H1N1.
People are not accustomed to marathons science, how to follow the evolution of a virus, which can take years.
The first question that they do, with a sarcastic expression is, but how many people died, compared to 6 billion world population? 18,000 (to simplify the calculation)? Namely the 0.0003%? Nothing!
Another question follows: how many "your D225G/N/E"?
100? , That is 0.000017%? Nothing!
Then you spend for one who wants to scare family members or friends.
This situation has been experienced by other FluTrackers.
These people are very happy to hear the media, having terrified the population, now they say H1N1/2009 disappeared.
So, the monster disappeared (H1N1v)and 99.99% of the population, governments, WHO and CDC are all happy.
Hopefully not have to read one day, on the graves of these people: "They believed in statistics, but H1N1D225G did not know!


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 8:50 am 
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Well, IMHO, it is definitely a conspiracy theory to say that health organizations are intentionally withholding critical information.

(I happen to agree that they are...btw)

Just pointing out that when one person says it, it's a "conspiracy theory." When another says it, it's accepted as fact.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:38 pm 
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SteveMartin wrote:
Well, IMHO, it is definitely a conspiracy theory to say that health organizations are intentionally withholding critical information


Withholding information and putting a "spin" on facts is not a secret plot.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 3:53 pm 
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A conspiracy is when two or more people plan together secretly to do something evil. It's a pretty simple definition.

I would say withholding vital, potentially massively life-saving information reaches that level.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 4:24 pm 
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SteveMartin wrote:
A conspiracy is when two or more people plan together secretly to do something evil. It's a pretty simple definition.

I would say withholding vital, potentially massively life-saving information reaches that level.

Evil?

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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20219907
Potentially advantageous mutations arise readily during the course of single infections

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 7:23 am 
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In Hong Kong, the D222G substitution was detected in 12.5% (6) and 4.1% (31) of patients with severe disease and in 0% of patients with mild disease, in two different studies without prior propagation in embryonated chicken eggs.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... ool=pubmed

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 7:01 am 
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In Hong Kong, the D222G substitution was detected in 12.5% (6) and 4.1% (31) of patients with severe disease and in 0% of patients with mild disease, in two different studies without prior propagation in embryonated chicken eggs.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... ool=pubmed

Why are you psoting this now? The paper was published last year and was submitted for publication over a year ago.

The importance of D225G was predicted in Recombinomics' commentaries in 2009, prior to the release of sequences from Ukraine. D225G and D225N was predicted for severe and fatal cases and was confirmed with a large series of direct sequences from autopsy lung, which had D225G, D225N, or both.

WHO climed there were no significant chnages in the Ukraine sequences, but after releasing the sequences which showed D225N exclusively in fatal cases, several other countries noted the linkage between D225G and severe/fatal cases.

WHO/CDC tried to claim that the D225G was in mild cases and an artifact of virus isolation procedure in their famous WHO (and Eurosurveillance) report at the end of 2009.

The report clearly demonstrated the failure of WHO and consultants, including the CDC, to analyze or report relevant H1N1 sequence data.

Why are you now citing one of many reports demonstrating the importance of D225G in pandemic H1N1?

You have posted more nonsense on D225G than anyone other than the CDC. Your nonsense was supported by other babblers for years, especially teh thread deny the link between D225G and low reactors.

CDC also tried denying D225G and D225N in the Duke death cluster (which also had H274Y and acknowledged by WHO and teh CDC), and you claimed the presence of D225G and D225N in the fatal cases was coincidental random mutations!!!!!

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