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PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 2:06 am 
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Rick wrote:
niman wrote:


"An aggressive campaign on this change is warranted because the only reported tested sample for antigenicity was found to be a low reactor"

It's the only one they tested, (or even worse, reported)? The only one? Did I get that right?

They test one of these new deadly mutations, and turns out the vaccine doesn't work, and they just quit testing?

Alice in Wonderland, and WHO-CDC is the Mad Hatter.

Actually, of the ten, two had antigenicity results. However, the isoalte with D225G only had one amino acid difference, so it was clear that the reduction was due to D225G and there other three had the same change, so they would also be low reactors. At the protein level, the number of changes are fairly milited at this time.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 10:21 am 
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I think in all instances, the unmitigated circumstances of the potential effects of Chernobyl should be taken into consideration in the Ukraine.

It could be that the next rounds may have far more serious consequences than previously thought.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 10:27 am 
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silvermaran wrote:
I think in all instances, the unmitigated circumstances of the potential effects of Chernobyl should be taken into consideration in the Ukraine.

It could be that the next rounds may have far more serious consequences than previously thought.

Why?


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 10:30 am 
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Commentary

http://www.recombinomics.com/News/11290 ... 5_Mis.html

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 12:35 pm 
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Thank You Honorable Mr. Niman.

Because the genetics could be in play in the high incidence of all types of cancers in Ukraine. Still today.

It paints a horrible horrible picture.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 6:42 pm 
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Jackson wrote:
Actually, the weatherman DOES REPORT the weather everyday...sad they do not trust the population to respond in a mature manner. Thank you Dr. Niman...for telling us the truth, you're a hero!

Here's teh fourb month forcast, made in July

Another potential acquisition from seasonal H1N1 is H274Y. Although this isn't a mammalian specific polymorphisms, it is present on almost 100% of seasonal H1N1 and has a history of jumping from one genetic background to another. It has been reported in three pandemic swine isolates, including a patient traveling from San Francisco to Hong Kong who had not received oseltamivir, raising concerns of a fit pandemic H1N1 with H274Y. Moreover, this isolate and other related isolates without H274Y also have a receptor binding domain change D225E, which may be important in establishing dominance via genetic hitching. A change at the same position, D225N, was associated with the establishment of H3N2 seasonal flu with adamantane resistance, S31N.

http://www.recombinomics.com/News/07140 ... Swine.html

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 7:13 pm 
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silvermaran wrote:
I think in all instances, the unmitigated circumstances of the potential effects of Chernobyl should be taken into consideration in the Ukraine.

It could be that the next rounds may have far more serious consequences than previously thought.


I know of no documented link between radiation exposure or plutonium ingestion and severity of influenza cases. Could you post a link to a peer reviewed article documenting that link?


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 7:21 pm 
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silvermaran wrote:
Thank You Honorable Mr. Niman.

Because the genetics could be in play in the high incidence of all types of cancers in Ukraine. Still today.

It paints a horrible horrible picture.

"Paints a horrible horrible picture" is scarcely an explanation. I don't think anyone of reasonable intelligence can be expected to swallow that dramatic claim without some sort of supporting scientific basis. Come on, surely you can do better than that.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 7:34 pm 
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LOL Rob you would make a great lawyer. If the Ukraine people in fact do have altered genetics left over from Chernobyl making them more vulnerable to cancers, it may be more likely to produce a super bug by their immune systems being off. This is just theory and we will have to wait and see like everyone else. I just don't like it.
http://tinyurl.com/yaobysh
http://tinyurl.com/yj7f26a
http://www.ucr.gs.com.ua/dovida4/pdf_e/07_08_all.pdf
http://tinyurl.com/yz5a7ns
:good: The wind is blowing to the East.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 7:58 pm 
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silvermaran wrote:
This is just theory and we will have to wait and see like everyone else. I just don't like it.
http://tinyurl.com/yaobysh
http://tinyurl.com/yj7f26a
http://www.ucr.gs.com.ua/dovida4/pdf_e/07_08_all.pdf
http://tinyurl.com/yz5a7ns

You should add that it is YOUR theory.
Your 1st link goes to general health statistics, with absolutely no linkage to radiation, nor influenza.
2nd link talks of increased thyroid cancer, no linkage whatsoever to influenza
3rd link doesn't exist - page not found
4th link talks of increased breast cancer - absolutely no linkage to influenza.

You realize you aren't a very good Whackadoodle don't you?


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