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PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:07 am 
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H1N1 Netherlands wrote:
Hi Dr. Niman

I have a question about outbreaks of Gastroenteritis in the Netherlands and there is a possible change it's the Noro Virus. Today there is a school closed for a outbreak in Amsterdam. Also in the city where i'm living is an outbreak.

Could this have something to do with the H1N1 ?

H1N1 has been linked to nausea, vomiting and diarhea.

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H1N1 Netherlands wrote:
Hi Dr. Niman

I have a question about outbreaks of Gastroenteritis in the Netherlands and there is a possible change it's the Noro Virus. Today there is a school closed for a outbreak in Amsterdam. Also in the city where i'm living is an outbreak.

Could this have something to do with the H1N1 ?

H1N1 has been linked to nausea, vomiting and diarhea.


That's why i asked you this. Becourse they have equel symptons.
But can a H1N1 virus "open the door" for a Noro Virus ?

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It's confirmed that it's the Noro Virus in Amsterdam

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 Post subject: Re: ASK DR. NIMAN
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Maybe i ask this question better..

Can an Noro Virus, hold an H1N1 virus. I read that a Noro Virus is a compilation of several virusses, is that true ?

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 Post subject: Re: ASK DR. NIMAN
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The fact that all the places where there have been deadly outbreaks of Swine H1N1 are also notorious places that caution tourists to "not drink the water" makes me wonder if the deadlier versions of this virus are spreading via feces contamination due to poor public toilet facilities and/or drinking water contamination.

When you look up traveling info. for Ukraine or Mexico, or Brazil etc. those places all caution about water.

We already know that Bird flu spreads where Rice Paddies and ducks are plentiful. It's a known water-borne illness. Since Influenza A is originally a waterborne disease are we looking past an obvious transmission route?

Also elementary school restrooms probably rival Ukraine and Mexico (ask your kids)... Rarely any toilet paper, basically filthy, crowded areas maintained by only ONE person per school. Kids are running in there always in a hurry. Sometimes they don't wash their hands because there are no paper towels. Crowded, hallways, dirty bathrooms, kids vomiting in the classrooms... the hallways etc. No wonder it spreads in schools like wildfire.

If influenza makes us vomit, and have diarrhea, as well as cough and sneeze, then maybe it spreads via these pathways more effectively than we think. Maybe via vomiting... it finds its way to the lungs. I can see how a virus can easily be aspirated into the trachea via emesis. How many times do we cough and experience a burning sensation in our trachea after we vomit? Maybe it survives the acid environment of the stomach just like H5N1 does. Maybe THAT's how it gets into our lungs after we ingest it because it's all over our environment due to a lack of hygiene.

Has anybody done a study on possible water contamination/ or public restroom deficiencies in places such as Ukraine, where this virus has turned particularly deadly ? The Public toilet facilities in many of these cities have very poor online reports. In Ukraine, one source said that toilet paper was not available in public places, so bring your own, and under no circumstances drink the water.

The virus has just recently jumped species. It would make sense that in Pigs, fecal contamination would be a good way to spread.

Most sources don't focus on this route of transmission though.

Any thoughts?

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littlebird wrote:
The fact that all the places where there have been deadly outbreaks of Swine H1N1 are also notorious places that caution tourists to "not drink the water" makes me wonder if the deadlier versions of this virus are spreading via feces contamination due to poor public toilet facilities and/or drinking water contamination.

When you look up traveling info. for Ukraine or Mexico, or Brazil etc. those places all caution about water.

We already know that Bird flu spreads where Rice Paddies and ducks are plentiful. It's a known water-borne illness. Since Influenza A is originally a waterborne disease are we looking past an obvious transmission route?

Also elementary school restrooms probably rival Ukraine and Mexico (ask your kids)... Rarely any toilet paper, basically filthy, crowded areas maintained by only ONE person per school. Kids are running in there always in a hurry. Sometimes they don't wash their hands because there are no paper towels. Crowded, hallways, dirty bathrooms, kids vomiting in the classrooms... the hallways etc. No wonder it spreads in schools like wildfire.

If influenza makes us vomit, and have diarrhea, as well as cough and sneeze, then maybe it spreads via these pathways more effectively than we think. Maybe via vomiting... it finds its way to the lungs. I can see how a virus can easily be aspirated into the trachea via emesis. How many times do we cough and experience a burning sensation in our trachea after we vomit? Maybe it survives the acid environment of the stomach just like H5N1 does. Maybe THAT's how it gets into our lungs after we ingest it because it's all over our environment due to a lack of hygiene.

Has anybody done a study on possible water contamination/ or public restroom deficiencies in places such as Ukraine, where this virus has turned particularly deadly ? The Public toilet facilities in many of these cities have very poor online reports. In Ukraine, one source said that toilet paper was not available in public places, so bring your own, and under no circumstances drink the water.

The virus has just recently jumped species. It would make sense that in Pigs, fecal contamination would be a good way to spread.

Most sources don't focus on this route of transmission though.

Any thoughts?



Excellent observations, littlebird. Maybe you should be the virologist or scientist/

Great thought and makes sense, look at your friend that died, he had just gone a cruise, there was another lady that had just gone to China and actually there have been other occurences. Very interesting, I hope Dr. Niman answers your question.


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 Post subject: Re: ASK DR. NIMAN
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~ Good Grief... I'm sick of this page being stuck on this one question.

Dr. Niman? What is your favorite flavor of Ice Cream? (and Neopolitan is NOT an option.)

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 Post subject: Re: ASK DR. NIMAN
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littlebird, you crack me up!

On the issue of the condition of school restrooms, I know a school where the superintendent makes $180,000 a year but the water supply to the bathrooms is not heated. So the water is cold as he!! in the winter time. How many kids are gonna freeze their hands off to wash? And even if they do opt to freeze their hands off, (ice) cold water does not give the thorough rinsing action that warm water does.

Anyway, back to the question at hand.

Dr. Niman, what do you think about the recent assertion by the Chinese microbiologist that H1N1 has been found in human excrement?


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 Post subject: Re: ASK DR. NIMAN
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saraseer wrote:
littlebird, you crack me up!

On the issue of the condition of school restrooms, I know a school where the superintendent makes $180,000 a year but the water supply to the bathrooms is not heated. So the water is cold as he!! in the winter time. How many kids are gonna freeze their hands off to wash? And even if they do opt to freeze their hands off, (ice) cold water does not give the thorough rinsing action that warm water does.

Anyway, back to the question at hand.

Dr. Niman, what do you think about the recent assertion by the Chinese microbiologist that H1N1 has been found in human excrement?

Avian H5N1, which has an avian PB2 is in the intestines, so H1N1 with avian PB2 is also likely to be there also.

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 Post subject: Re: ASK DR. NIMAN
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What is your favorite flavor of Ice Cream? (and Neopolitan is NOT an option.)


:rotfl: :rotfl: That was sooooo random and funny! :)


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