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 Post subject: Re: situation on Ukraine
PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 4:59 pm 
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969,247 cases
48.972 hospitalized
155 dead

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 Post subject: Re: situation on Ukraine
PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 5:10 pm 
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Hello,
I'm new to the forums, have been reading along for a while and would firstly like to thank you for your great job on providing information.

So perhaps I can start posting with a question. It has been said that virus samples are not only being analyzed by the WHO, but also by private persons and doctors around the world. What is your estimate, if we assume that the WHO doesn't give an update on the sequences, how long would it take for the sequences to be released by other persons? Would this also be a matter of days or rather weeks? I supposed other doctors wouldn't have high-end-equipment and it would take significantly longer.

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 Post subject: Re: situation on Ukraine
PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 5:26 pm 
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Citycruiser wrote:
Hello,
I'm new to the forums, have been reading along for a while and would firstly like to thank you for your great job on providing information.

So perhaps I can start posting with a question. It has been said that virus samples are not only being analyzed by the WHO, but also by private persons and doctors around the world. What is your estimate, if we assume that the WHO doesn't give an update on the sequences, how long would it take for the sequences to be released by other persons? Would this also be a matter of days or rather weeks? I supposed other doctors wouldn't have high-end-equipment and it would take significantly longer.

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Welcome to flutracker.

I would doubt that samples would be given out for sequencing. Who else has received samples?

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 Post subject: Re: situation on Ukraine
PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 5:46 pm 
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niman wrote:
969,247 cases
48.972 hospitalized
155 dead

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/ ... p1PzWRmy5g


WOW! Just a few hours ago, death rate was 144...

BIG Jumps lately! :(


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 Post subject: Re: situation on Ukraine
PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 6:55 pm 
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Jacaranda wrote:
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They have almost 44,000 hospitalized which is NOT the same as everwhere else.


IMHO, you should not compare the state of "being hospitalized" in California and Ukraine. And most of ukrainians are hospitalized "for free", e.g they are paying 0 USD per day stay at hospital, besides paying for the medicines

Ukraine still has a vast excess of "beds" available at the hospitals, it is a long story started as far as 20-30s from XX century

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The fact is that the at People's Commissar of Health Nikolai Semashko http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Semashko_(medicine) and his followers have focused on creating the maximum number of beds, and is considered key to good medicine. And that vision problems were caused by the fact that at the dawn of creation of the Soviet health care system the main task was to fight the epidemic, which is why it is crucial to create the maximum number of hospitals that could isolate the sick.


http://translate.google.com.ua/translat ... ry_state0=

[which is why it is crucial to create the maximum number of hospitals that could isolate the sick.] It sounds like what they are saying is 44,000 isolated in temp. Hospitals or isolation sites ? Maybe they are isolating alot more of the sick & calling it hospitalized.

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 Post subject: Re: situation on Ukraine
PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 6:57 pm 
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niman wrote:
Welcome to flutracker.

I would doubt that samples would be given out for sequencing. Who else has received samples?


Hello, and thanks,
I was referring to the notion that with such a high number of infections it would be relatively easy to take samples, and as far as I understood, producing the sequence is possible for any person who has some medical knowledge and who knows how to handle the equipment. But I'm actually not sure about this.
Just thought that some people who had the possibilities would investigate themselves rather than wait for the WHO to make an annoucement.
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 Post subject: Re: situation on Ukraine
PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 7:50 pm 
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Flu pandemic has reached critical proportions in Ukraine

Appeal to combat H1N1 pandemic

TORONTO, Nov. 8 /CNW/ - The Ukrainian Canadian Congress (UCC) and the Canada Ukraine Foundation (CUF) are appealing to the Prime Minister of Canada to direct Canadian foreign aid funding immediately toward humanitarian aid to help the Government of Ukraine to fight the increasing global H1N1 flu pandemic.

"I have requested that the Prime Minister of Canada designate a portion of foreign assistance funding toward immediate humanitarian medical aid to help Ukraine fight the H1N1 flu pandemic", stated Ukrainian Canadian Congress President, Paul Grod. "As the pandemic spreads across Ukraine, pushing into the European Union, I urge the Prime Minister, on behalf of all Canadians, to generously donate funds and medical supplies to combat this deadly virus. What impacts Ukraine, and Europe, affects Canada."

The World Health Organization reports the pandemic now covers 14 Oblasts (Provinces), including Kyiv, Donetsk, Zhytomyr, and Kirovograd, all of whom now exceed World Health Organization (WHO) standards for epidemic status. In the last 48 hours, the number of persons sick with serious respiratory illnesses has exploded from 250,000 to almost 900,000, and 37,031 children under 18 years old have been reported ill, with nearly 40,000 people hospitalized.

First respondents to the Ukrainian Canadian appeal include Air Canada, the Cole Group, Purolator, Caravan Logistics, Jim Temerty and Health Partners International (HPI), who answered the call for crucial medical supplies, funds and logistics support.

"These companies and individuals have been incredible. Not only are we grateful for their quick response and overwhelming generosity, these companies understand that, as nations, we are inextricably linked between Europe and North America" stated Bob Onyschuk Q.C. Chairman of the Canada Ukraine Foundation. "Donate, because it can save the lives of children in need," stated Onyschuk.

"Canada has always been a strong humanitarian and economic partner with Ukraine", stated Ambassador Ihor Ostash, Ukraine's Ambassador to Ukraine. "We are prepared to work side by side with Canadians to defeat this pandemic and we are grateful for their support."

Valued at $200,000, the first shipment is scheduled to depart Toronto, Canada on November 9 via Air Canada for Kyiv, the nation's capital. The Government of Ukraine, through the Embassy of Ukraine in Canada, has guaranteed rapid distribution of the supplies upon arrival at Borispol airport.

Donations of supplies, vitamins and antibiotics valued at over $160,000 and donations of over $60,000 in cash for medical supplies have been received by the Canada Ukraine Foundation. These funds will be used to purchase additional medical supplies and their distribution to the areas in Ukraine ravaged by the pandemic.

TO DONATE TO THE UKRAINE PANDEMIC APPEAL:

Contact: www.cufoundation.ca, or by mailing donations to CUF,
203-952 Main Street, Winnipeg, MB Canada R2W 3P4.


Source: http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/arch ... c7130.html

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 Post subject: Re: situation on Ukraine
PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 9:09 pm 
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Citycruiser wrote:
niman wrote:
Welcome to flutracker.

I would doubt that samples would be given out for sequencing. Who else has received samples?


Hello, and thanks,
I was referring to the notion that with such a high number of infections it would be relatively easy to take samples, and as far as I understood, producing the sequence is possible for any person who has some medical knowledge and who knows how to handle the equipment. But I'm actually not sure about this.
Just thought that some people who had the possibilities would investigate themselves rather than wait for the WHO to make an annoucement.
greetings

No. The ball is in Mill Hill's court. No one else is sequencing.

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 Post subject: Re: situation on Ukraine
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niman wrote:
Citycruiser wrote:
niman wrote:
Welcome to flutracker.

I would doubt that samples would be given out for sequencing. Who else has received samples?


Hello, and thanks,
I was referring to the notion that with such a high number of infections it would be relatively easy to take samples, and as far as I understood, producing the sequence is possible for any person who has some medical knowledge and who knows how to handle the equipment. But I'm actually not sure about this.
Just thought that some people who had the possibilities would investigate themselves rather than wait for the WHO to make an annoucement.
greetings

No. The ball is in Mill Hill's court. No one else is sequencing.

Speaking of sequencing, D225G was found in the lungs of fatal cases in Sau Paulo, collected in August, as well as a 1918 isolate from New York and a 1919 isolate from London.

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 Post subject: Re: situation on Ukraine
PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 10:08 pm 
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niman wrote:
Citycruiser wrote:
niman wrote:
Welcome to flutracker.

I would doubt that samples would be given out for sequencing. Who else has received samples?


Hello, and thanks,
I was referring to the notion that with such a high number of infections it would be relatively easy to take samples, and as far as I understood, producing the sequence is possible for any person who has some medical knowledge and who knows how to handle the equipment. But I'm actually not sure about this.
Just thought that some people who had the possibilities would investigate themselves rather than wait for the WHO to make an annoucement.
greetings

No. The ball is in Mill Hill's court. No one else is sequencing.


We just had an article posted that researchers from Poland are in the Ukraine taking samples for study. Does anyone besides the WHO take samples and sequence them? I had the impression quite a few researchers were doing this.


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