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 Post subject: Re: situation on Ukraine
PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:27 pm 
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In the soutern hemisphere, swine H1N1 pretty much took over. In the US, the very low numbers of seasonal flu are DECREASING. In the past few weekly reports most areas had ZERO examples of seasonal flu.


OK, I know. I understand why novel A/H1N1 is dominant. But I don't understand why seasonal flu does not develop normally. Is there some mechanism that counters seasonal flu strains from infecting people already infected with the novel A/H1N1?



Hello everyone,
I'll give you an example of a molecule CO (carbon monoxide), which competes and wins the race for the conquest of hemoglobin, tying it more closely, while competing with about 300 molecules of O2 (Oxygen). The virus (H1N1) n behaves as CO binds to the cell to infect, establishing a stronger chemical bond with the cell from attack, compared with other seasonal viruses. Then enters the cell, multiply, it's a bit 'of children and other viruses that are left out, they die without heirs. Now you have to ask Dr. Niman whether this hypothesis can have his blessing!
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 Post subject: Re: situation on Ukraine
PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:55 pm 
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:hello: Dr.Niman,

I have a question....

The person who is on vacation and in charge of uploading the sequences...

Can't the person do that remotely?

I also don't get why someone else can't do it? Is he/she really the ONLY one trained to do this? What happens if they got ill or killed? Then who would do it? Seems odd. There must be some way to get the information out there faster than this.

AND, if this person is really the only one~ boy, they should cut the vacation short and get their heine back in the office and take vacation days a little later.

JMHO.


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 Post subject: Re: situation on Ukraine
PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:14 pm 
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Faithful wrote:
:hello: Dr.Niman,

I have a question....

The person who is on vacation and in charge of uploading the sequences...

Can't the person do that remotely?

I also don't get why someone else can't do it? Is he/she really the ONLY one trained to do this? What happens if they got ill or killed? Then who would do it? Seems odd. There must be some way to get the information out there faster than this.

AND, if this person is really the only one~ boy, they should cut the vacation short and get their heine back in the office and take vacation days a little later.

JMHO.

I suspect Mill Hill wants to know what happened to the last set of sequences, and they won't be submitting until that issue is resolved.

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 Post subject: Re: situation on Ukraine
PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:21 pm 
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http://www.who.int/csr/don/2009_11_03/en/

WHO Global Alert and Response (GAR)

Pandemic (H1N1) 2009, Ukraine - update 1

3 November 2009 -- According to the Ministry of Health of the Ukraine, the country has now recorded more than 250,000 cases of influenza-like illness, with 235 patients requiring intensive care. As of 2 November, 70 deaths from acute respiratory illness have been reported.

Regions in western Ukraine continue to show the highest rates of acute respiratory illness/influenza-like illness. The level of activity in the Kyiv area is also increasing rapidly.

Laboratory testing in Ukraine has confirmed pandemic H1N1 influenza virus in samples taken from patients in two of the most affected regions. As the pandemic virus has rapidly become the dominant influenza strain worldwide, it can be assumed that most cases of influenza in Ukraine are caused by the H1N1 virus.

As elsewhere, WHO strongly recommends early treatment with the antiviral drugs, oseltamivir or zanamivir, for patients who meet treatment criteria, even in the absence of a positive laboratory test confirming H1N1 infection.

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Pandemic (H1N1) 2009


At the request of the government, a multi-disciplinary team of nine experts has been deployed by WHO and arrived in Kyiv yesterday evening. Discussions with the Minister of Health were held this morning to brief the team.

Team members will now begin field investigations to characterize the clinical and epidemiological features of the outbreak. Work will initially begin in Lviv region, where reported numbers of cases showing severe manifestations of acute respiratory illness have been especially high. Two virologists on the team have started working at the National Influenza Centre and the laboratories of the Central Sanitary and Epidemiological Station in Kyiv to provide diagnostic support.

Samples sent by the Ministry of Health were received today by the WHO Collaborating Centre for Reference and Research on Influenza, Mill Hill in London, UK. The laboratory will conduct confirmatory tests and further characterize the virus.

Many questions remain to be answered. The outbreak in Ukraine may be indicative of how the virus can behave in the northern hemisphere during the winter season, particularly in health care settings typically found in Eastern Europe.

Given the potential significance of this outbreak as an early warning signal, WHO commends the government of Ukraine for its transparent reporting and open sharing of samples.

WHO continues to recommend no closing of borders and no restrictions on international travel, including to Ukraine. Experience shows that such measures will not stop further spread of the virus.


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 Post subject: Re: situation on Ukraine
PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:24 pm 
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The WHO update is as expected. Mill Hill should have a sequence in a day or two. The report strongly suggests that the hemorrhagic cases are the focus and most are in Lviv.

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 Post subject: Re: situation on Ukraine
PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:53 pm 
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"More than 10.6 thousand cases and suspected cases of influenza have been reported in Poland in the last week of October. In the same period last year there were more than 4.3 thousand. - Clear the data from the National Institute of Public Health National Institute of Hygiene."

"Tomasz Misztal, he said the Chief Sanitary Inspectorate, the increase in incidence is due mainly to the fact that in this year's flu season started earlier than in the past. - This is influenced by the weather. We expected such a situation, we are not surprised - he added."

The flu "season" started early because of A/H1N1 pandemic. It's the next example of serious disinformation in main polish media.


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 Post subject: Re: situation on Ukraine
PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:07 pm 
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Wszebor wrote:
http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=pl&js=y&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwiadomosci.onet.pl%2F2071554%2C11%2Cgrypa_w_polsce_-_oto_najbardziej_dotkniete_wojewodztwa%2Citem.html&sl=pl&tl=en&history_state0=

"More than 10.6 thousand cases and suspected cases of influenza have been reported in Poland in the last week of October. In the same period last year there were more than 4.3 thousand. - Clear the data from the National Institute of Public Health National Institute of Hygiene."

"Tomasz Misztal, he said the Chief Sanitary Inspectorate, the increase in incidence is due mainly to the fact that in this year's flu season started earlier than in the past. - This is influenced by the weather. We expected such a situation, we are not surprised - he added."
Now you have to know, that this is'nt true... There is no seasonal flu....

The flu "season" started early because of A/H1N1 pandemic. It's the next example of serious disinformation in main polish media.

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 Post subject: Re: situation on Ukraine
PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:51 pm 
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Latest information on Lviv.

Data on Lviv oblast as provided by the Lviv Regional State Administration (posted today at 18.44 on Kyivpost):
overall number of patients: 106112
hospitalized: 2998
died: 39


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 Post subject: Re: situation on Ukraine
PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 3:14 pm 
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I'm in touch with a med student who is in Lviv and he's confirmed the situation is extremely bad there, the number of hemorrhagic cases has been astronomical (in his words).

Something that might prove useful - the use of the term SARS in the reports is a translational error apparently. Like the regional reports of "pneumonic plague" the descriptive terms in Russian and Ukrainian dialect were replaced with what turned out to be a very poor choice of words when translated to English. Quite a few people are taking both literally and believe Ukraine has a guarter million plague infected! :banghead:

We already covered the plague but I was curious about the reports of SARS in the case breakdowns. He didn't clarify what the intended term was just that our concept of SARS as the Asian disease is not what it means.

I have to say the media and WHO efforts in the West to downplay the severity of H1N1 has not helped the situation at all. There are claims that medical staff in Ukraine were not aware of the hemorrhagic symptoms possible in H1N1 victims (the first reports of this came from Mexico City) and the health minister keeps making statements in the press that Ukraine is dealing with a mutation of the virus. I've considered the political pressures he is no doubt under to excuse the complete lack of preparation but I don't think he could possibly know for sure if there is a mutation or not at this time.

People in the region have reported light airplanes spraying at night, (most likely an effort at the aeroclave pandemic response) but by not publicly announcing it the rumors of bio weapon use and other conspiracies surrounding the election have people stirred into near total panic. I've had several first hand reports of eyewitnesses to the spraying so I personally believe it, I just doubt its an effort to infect the populace.

A quarantine is being enforced in Lviv by police who are forcing people to remain indoors, the border is still open and flights are available, my med student friend is leaving later today, hopefully without a viral souvenir to take home.


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 Post subject: Re: situation on Ukraine
PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 3:27 pm 
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ecoparity wrote:
I'm in touch with a med student who is in Lviv and he's confirmed the situation is extremely bad there, the number of hemorrhagic cases has been astronomical (in his words).

Something that might prove useful - the use of the term SARS in the reports is a translational error apparently. Like the regional reports of "pneumonic plague" the descriptive terms in Russian and Ukrainian dialect were replaced with what turned out to be a very poor choice of words when translated to English. Quite a few people are taking both literally and believe Ukraine has a guarter million plague infected! :banghead:

We already covered the plague but I was curious about the reports of SARS in the case breakdowns. He didn't clarify what the intended term was just that our concept of SARS as the Asian disease is not what it means.

I have to say the media and WHO efforts in the West to downplay the severity of H1N1 has not helped the situation at all. There are claims that medical staff in Ukraine were not aware of the hemorrhagic symptoms possible in H1N1 victims (the first reports of this came from Mexico City) and the health minister keeps making statements in the press that Ukraine is dealing with a mutation of the virus. I've considered the political pressures he is no doubt under to excuse the complete lack of preparation but I don't think he could possibly know for sure if there is a mutation or not at this time.

People in the region have reported light airplanes spraying at night, (most likely an effort at the aeroclave pandemic response) but by not publicly announcing it the rumors of bio weapon use and other conspiracies surrounding the election have people stirred into near total panic. I've had several first hand reports of eyewitnesses to the spraying so I personally believe it, I just doubt its an effort to infect the populace.

A quarantine is being enforced in Lviv by police who are forcing people to remain indoors, the border is still open and flights are available, my med student friend is leaving later today, hopefully without a viral souvenir to take home.

Thanks for the boots on the ground reports.

As far as the translation is concerned, it is because of similar terms. SARS stands for Sudden Acute Respiratory Syndrome, while ARI stands for Acute Respiratory Illness. Thus, since both conditions use acute and respiratory, the terms get exchanged in translations.

SARS is caused by a novel cornonavirus (SARS-CoV), which is NOT what is in Ukraine. H1N1 causes ARI (as do other viruses, but in the case of Ukraine at this time, the vast majority of ARI cases are H1N1 (which is also true for the cases classified as influenza - 19,189 at last update).

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