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Angel. Is it appropriate for me to ask that these posts be moved to a thread of it's own concerning the presidential powers during the State of Emergency? I have more I would like to add to this but don't feel it really belongs on this thread. I know I have posts back on page 138 but not sure where it began.

My experience was similar to your number 3, with the exception that the second go around was far worse than the first.

In my family situation, we had all the symptoms of the flu in the first, including the GI symptoms and moderate upper respiratory. The second time we had no GI symptoms except a minor amount of nausea, which may have been associated with Tamiflu for the little ones, but the respiratory stuff was far worse. With the second, I did not need anything to verify H1N1. We were all so sick and poised for an ER trip at any given moment. It was a rough ride.

I am still shaking my head. As a lay person I thought having some antibodies would have meant a less severe case the second time.

I am asking all posters to limit their posts to the situation on the Ukraine, please. We have other threads in the discussion sections to discuss non related issues.

Actually they include Anise, which should not be confused with Star of Anise. It is Star of Anise which is used to produce Tamiflu, however it is a very intensive multi stage process to get it to the final product. So using Fisherman Friends with the expecation that it has any antiseptic benefit is misguided. But the high concentrations of menthol and eucalyptus in the product would probably be beneficial to congestion and mucus production in mild flu cases.

Oil of Oregano on the other hand is universally recognized as having antibacterial and antifungal properties. And I should point out that while I personally choose to use Oil of Oregano - the main point is that anything that would subdue virus in mouth or throat is going to cut viral load, and thereby increase the possibility that lesser severity of symptoms will occur.

In countries like Ukraine, or even the U.S. for the most part, where there is NO VACCINE available - and the outbreaks steadily underway and killing people daily, I would think that decent human beings would be receptive to alternative treatments to fill the void, and at least be open minded enough to intelligently discuss possibilities. Because waiting on a vaccine that isn't coming for the vast majority of the planet just seems to me as the height of folly.

Personally, if I was in Ukraine at the moment, I would definitely be popping garlic and chewing on it while in public. Not only would I get the antiviral property benefits that might help reduce initial viral load - I'd most likely keep everyone at a safe distance as a secondary benefit LOL haha

Copy of a story just hitting the wire in Britain. See towards the end for a quote from the WHO. At least it is something regarding the sequences...

MILLION HIT BY 'PLAGUE WORSE THAN SWINE FLU'
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/140 ... swine-flu-
By Greg Miskiw November 15,2009

A DEADLY plague could sweep across Europe, doctors fear, after an outbreak of a virus in Ukraine plunged the country and its neighbours into a state of panic.

A cocktail of three flu viruses are reported to have mutated into a single pneumonic plague, which it is believed may be far more dangerous than swine flu. The death toll has reached 189 and more than 1 million people have been infected, most of them in the nine regions of Western Ukraine.

President of Ukraine Viktor Yushchenko has called in the World Health Organisation and a team of nine specialists are carrying out tests in Kiev and Lviv to identify the virus. Samples have been sent to London for analysis.

President Yushchenko said: “People are dying. The epidemic is killing doctors. This is absolutely inconceivable in the 21st Century.”

In a TV interview, the President added: “Unlike similar epidemics in other countries, three causes of serious viral infections came together simultaneously in Ukraine – two seasonal flus and the Californian flu

“Virologists conclude that this combination of infections may produce an even more aggressive new virus as a result of mutation.”

Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko has been touring hospitals where victims are being treated and presidential elections in January could be cancelled .

Four men and one woman have died from the flu in Lviv, said emergency hospital chief doctor Myron Borysevych. Two of the dead patients were in the 22-35 age group, with two others over 60. He diagnosed the disease as viral pneumonia.

“We have sent the analyses to Kiev. We don’t believe it’s H1N1 swine flu. Neither do we know what kind of pneumonia it is.”

Universities, schools and kindergartens have been closed, public meetings have been banned and theatres shut. Last week several border crossings in the country were also closed.

Last night reports emerged of profiteering over face masks, which have sold out since the outbreak. There are also incidents of anti-virus medication being sold for exorbitant prices. A spokesman for the World Health Organisation said: “We do not have a time scale for the results of the tests in London, although some preliminary results have been obtained. I cannot tell you what they are.

“We did not have enough of the virus samples so we will have to grow some more before we can come to a conclusive decision about its nature.” Neighbouring Poland has called on the EU to take action, fearing the mystery virus may spread westwards.

Prime Minister Donald Tusk has written to European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso and the Swedish Prime Minister, Fredrik Reinfeldt, who holds the EU presidency, saying: “The character of this threat demands that rapid action be undertaken at the European Union level.”

Russia, Slovakia, Poland, Hungary and Romania, countries that border Ukraine, have already launched health checks on Ukrainians entering their territory.

Slovakia has closed two of five border crossings.

A doctor in Western Ukraine who did not want to be named, said:” We have carried out post mortems on two victims and found their lungs are as black as charcoal.

“They look like they have been burned. It’s terrifying.”

QUESTION: Anyone here qualified to comment on their explanation? That there wasn't enough sample to appropriately test? I notice that they aren't issuing any comments on the preliminary data that they admittedly did get.

Thats a description I haven't heard quite so descriptively so far. "Black as Charcoal". Does anyone have any medical commentary on what could cause this. I've never heard of such a thing.

Dried blood would be pretty dark.

Their explanation is HIGHLY suspect. They said they had 15 positives almost 2 weeks ago. With 15 positives they should be able to directly sequence from the sample and also should be able to grow the virus, so they would have as much virus as they wanted. Asking for more samples sounds like one or more significant changes have been found, and now the are looking at the prevalence of this change in a larger sample size.

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Yeah - thought about that. These are supposedly profesional medical professionals doing autopsies. One would think that they'd just say "filled with blood", which of course a multitude of reports do indicate. Was just wondering if this could be an indication of anything else? Sounds like a stretch to compare dried blood to "black as charcoal" and "burned".

This gets so frustrating - if they'd just quit hiding data and open up reports to people, perhaps the world medical comunity could actually review, analyze, and god forbid - actually come up with something helpful.

And this claim that three viruses combined into super virus?