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PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 9:12 am 
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Tex,

In the "Which vaccines target D225G?" thread on the Vaccine Discussion board, Dr. Niman wrote the following:

"I have looked a little harder at who was using what with regard to vaccine targets. I believe the attenuated live vaccine does indeed use clone V, which does have D225G. In contrast it looks like most, if not all, injected killed vaccines use X179A, which does NOT have D225G. X179A was used in the trial in Australia as well Sanofi Pasteur."


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 9:19 am 
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Thanks,

If someone has receive an injected vaccine already, would it be possible to then get a FluMist form of vaccine after some time interval like a month, so that he would be protected against the
D225G variety?


I guess I was thinking that if the FluMist was the preferred form, Dr Niman would have recommended that his daughter receive it?


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 9:37 am 
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Tex wrote:
Thanks,

I guess I was thinking that if the FluMist was the preferred form, Dr Niman would have recommended that his daughter receive it?


We all just learned very recently about the "low reactor" finding as to D225G. Apparently, vaccine experts had concluded that vaccines protecting against D225 would work against D225G. But...whoops!...apparently they won't.

As to your other question relating to getting a second vaccination, and this time with Flumist, I have the same question. Recognize, however, that you may find it impossible to get FluMist if you're over 49 as that vaccine "should" only be administered to those 2 to 49 years of age (apparently, they had too few "over 49" trial participants to definitively conclude that it was safe or effective for "over 49s").


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 9:41 am 
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Tex wrote:
Really good interview. Thanks for posting the link.

Question:

Is the following correct?

I thought I was hearing that the FluMist has the strain with the 225G polymorphism in it. Earlier you had written that they cloned a strain with the 225G in it, but it wasn't selected for the vaccines (because it wasn't the consensus strain).

So given the choice, one should choose the FluMist?

Then, shortly after that discussion, you said that you had a college-age daughter who was immunized at school with a shot in each arm for seasonal and H1N1.

So you wouldn't necessarily be recommending the FluMist in preference to the injected form?


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One minor correction to what you said in the interview:

The earliest known Texas cases were in the immediate San Antonio, Texas area in April 2009, but they were not students in the San Antonio school district.

They were students who attended Steele High School in the Schertz-Cibolo-United School District. They were treated at Randolph Air Force Base at a clinic from April 10-14. I don't know if either student was very ill, but it doesn't sound like they were if they were treated in a clinic.

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Throat cultures from suspected flu cases on military bases around the world are routinely tested by the Defense Department's Global Influenza Surveillance Program at Brooks City-Base, which determined the strain was unusual. The cultures were flown by chartered jet earlier this week to the CDC's laboratory in Atlanta, where it was identified as swine flu.


Here's a link to the story from April:

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_ ... xicos.html

The characterization sheets don't give much detail. The two isoaltes were from school aged patients in Texas. One was a teenager (16 or 17), but the other was 9. They were collected in mid-April and I believe the outbreak in the San Antonio area spread (and the 9-year old might have been a sibling of one of the high school students).

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Swine flu interview tonight at 11 PM EST

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Interview tonight at 10 PM EST (45 min from now)

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 11:20 pm 
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Tex wrote:
Thanks,

If someone has receive an injected vaccine already, would it be possible to then get a FluMist form of vaccine after some time interval like a month, so that he would be protected against the
D225G variety?


I guess I was thinking that if the FluMist was the preferred form, Dr Niman would have recommended that his daughter receive it?


I have asked Dr. Niman about the injectable too, and no answer. I thought the same thing. So I guess he does not want to answer the question, apparently.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 11:25 pm 
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ms4920 wrote:
I have asked Dr. Niman about the injectable too, and no answer. I thought the same thing. So I guess he does not want to answer the question, apparently.


Will you please chill out and stop being so confrontational. It is getting OLD!


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 11:31 pm 
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Gator Flu Watcher wrote:
ms4920 wrote:
I have asked Dr. Niman about the injectable too, and no answer. I thought the same thing. So I guess he does not want to answer the question, apparently.


Will you please chill out and stop being so confrontational. It is getting OLD!



Why do you not back off, Why does he not answer the question. You are getting old.
If we ask politely and nicely, then why does he not answer. No we all criticized Chan for not get vaccinated, well I am challenging Niman to the same. Dr. Niman, you obviously feel the injectable h1n1 vaccine protects against 225g or you would not have given it to your daughter. The answer please

To Gator. Mind your own business. He wont answer and there are millions of people who got this vaccine. So since this is watched by people worldwide, why wont he answer the question, unless she got the flu mist.......Ha

Actually I am going to contact Rense and have him ask him on the air. What do you thing about that gator person :grin:


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