Rhiza Labs FluTracker Forum

Writing can be construed as much talking to oneself as thinking and/or taking note(s). It seems of the 52 samples of D222G, 50% were fatal. However, of the 26 fatalities: in 14 instances the D222G manifested itself after death and was not in the original culture. H1N1, like H5N1, seems to be a bogeyman pushed by those selfsame scaremongers that deny viruses become less virulent to propagate themselves rather than the converse. Whackamole is still scratching his head over being banned without any warning or breach of TOU by an overzealous rob with no explanation, but his contrary views were potentially irritaining to necrophile subcultures and small minds with access to a ban key (button). The facts pertaining to the typhoid fever vaccine bore out that vaccinated soldiers were 4 times more liely to die of the 1918 spanish flu than their unvaccinated civilian control group. Vaccines are routinely contaminated, especially multi dose vials, thus the thimerosol to kill foreign cultures. That is today with micron screening and labs with recirculation and sterile clean rooms. Just imagine none of these safety protocols being in place and the potentiality for the transmission of unknown vectors, especially at a time where all disease was supposed to stem from bacterial infection, since virii were yet to be discovered.

Today, it seems, we have a paralell situation to that which was stated at the beginning of this 'pandemic' in the Ukraine; A pneumonic plague or what should have been properly read as a plague or high incidence of bacterial pneumonia. Maybe the paranoids are correct and all the airborne spraying of immune attenuating agents (barium, aluminum) is playing out it's game. People who are compromised by this flu tend to be on the cusp of immunosuppression or further along.

I just can not understand why the simple explanation does not fit:
The flu virus mutated and is running rampant among a naive population.
It happens periodically throughout recorded history. What are the odds that this time is any different than the last 20 times?

What are the chances that this time is different than the last 20 times? I would say fairly significant. The last twenty times did not involve questionable vaccines firstly. See cochrane systemic review. Most likely, the last 20 times, Corporations did not have such complete domination of the news media. Perchance , the last twenty times, the pharmaceutical complex did not exude one sided science in a propagandistic tone over rational thought where percentages are touted over absolutism. And lastly, maybe, just maybe, high incidenence of mortality figure in immuno compromised individuals, thus pre existing conditions, and even kidney involvement could just point to heavy metal toxicities. As an afterthought couple this with ngo's consistently banging the drum of population burdens and we sure do have a definitive difference from the last twenty times.

Soldiers (back in 1918) were packed into army camps, and onto railroad cars, and onto steamships like cattle for DAYS on end. They were subjected to WAY more crowding than civilians, and literally lived life in the trenches. They didn't breathe fresh air, and they didn't eat fresh foods. I think that to look at just ONE thing (The fact that they received more vaccines than civilians did) and to ignore OBVIOUS living conditions that put them at a higher risk for catching ANYTHING That's spread by droplet/coughing/sneezing as readily as influenza is... is a huge oversight. That's drawing a BIASED conclusion, and it doesn't PROVE anything, except that you have an obvious negative Bias towards Vaccinations, and you're willing to muddy up the facts to prove YOUR own personal belief to others. I'm not buying it.

You take a group of young men (who were also at the target age for the 2009 Pandemic) and put them into this environment with a Virus nobody has been exposed to, a virus that KILLS by Turning off the safety-switch on a young adult's immune system and of course you will have more fatalities. That's a given. Vaccinations didn't create that fatality rate among soldiers, (in my opinion) that's just the nature of Pandemic Influenza, and the nature of a twenty year old's immune response. My statements are commentary based on facts as I have seen them, and unearthed them. Commentary is NOT always truth. It's one person's perspective. Always keep that in mind when you search the Web.

_________________
"Old Mother Goose, when she wanted to wander, would ride through the air on a very fine gander."
1916
"Mother Goose had a house,
'Twas built in a wood,
Where an owl at the door
For sentinel stood."

Crowding, and being subjected to stressful living conditions, NATURALLY spawns viruses, that never have to learn NOT TO KILL in order to spread successfully to the next host... (because, just like soldiers in 1918, the next host is ONLY an inch away).

No conspiracy required.

Nature has her own set of checks and balances. When we push ourselves into another species world, or we bring that species into our OWN environment and treat it badly, their viruses WILL jump to their defense, and Nature strikes her balance. The More crowded the world gets, the more virulent a virus can be (while still assurring its survival). Don't you find it ironic that the First World War in our recorded History, literally ended because of a virus? Maybe Mother Earth was trying to teach us something. Who knows?

Amazing isn't it?

_________________
"Old Mother Goose, when she wanted to wander, would ride through the air on a very fine gander."
1916
"Mother Goose had a house,
'Twas built in a wood,
Where an owl at the door
For sentinel stood."

When quoting one's ideas almost rote from wikipedia; please read to the bottom. Healthy, young individuals died from cytokine storms from robust immune systems. Yes, Robust, overreactive immune systems, not deficient or malnourished systems as you would like to portray. The 4 to 1 number portrays soldiers that were both immunized and not immunized in the combat theater, same condition the only difference being the prick. If your ideas were 'true', all viruses would become more lethal, when in fact the opposite is true. Viruses like politicians and such selfsame bloodsuckers rely on their host surviving and spreading said infection. Virulence is an accidental exception, not a survival mechanism. It is also a good marketing aid and control mechanism. And yes, when we over-immunize and bomb our livestock with antibiotics we open ourselves to a shitstorm of viral and bacterial recombination; Why, because we are attacking a replicating thing, in case of virii we can't utilize the idea of sentience or reproduction or even life, but bacterially we can. Not because gods or gaia or somesuch hippy dippy new age conciousness is manifesting its displeasure.

~ touche' there GHugo,

but if I were you, I'd be careful about not using the "L" word in front of virii...



I mean, you're totally assuming that "accidental exception" cannot possibly equal "survival mechanism"... not sure I agree with that.

(Also, personally, I would've NEVER put viruses in the same blood-sucking category as Politicians... but that's just me).

If my ideas were "True" all viruses would not necessarily become more lethal, but a lot of viruses could become more lethal (in crowded/cramped/stressful situations) if they were as volatile as influenza, and if they spread via droplet contamination. I think that's just common sense. No Science required.

"Not because gods or gaia or somesuch hippy dippy new age conciousness is manifesting its displeasure." Again, this theory that nothing in the Universe is intelligently designed (Except mankind) is not only unproven, it is so arrogant, that I'm ashamed a man thought of that.
Life tends to organize somewhat, for SOME Reason. Everything seems to seek Balance... Which (not unlike the national debt) is NEVER achieved. Opposition makes the world go-round.

That's just MY take on it, but unlike you, I'm going to admit time and time again that what I write IS commentary, NOT fact.

I haven't quoted ANYTHING from wikipedia that I know of, I tend to just type off of the top of my head, but you have obviously stolen "Hippy Dippy" from the Late Great George Carlin, and I think that George would side with me on the idea of our Planet Earth having a divine consciousness, the fact that you can't tap into her voice doesn't surprise me, nor does it negate me.

"The 4 to 1 number portrays soldiers that were both immunized and not immunized in the combat theater, same condition the only difference being the prick"

I think you hit the nail on the head here, maybe the Universe doesn't like pricks, and it punishes those who submit to them. Anyhow, NONE Of the soldiers in World War One were subjected to a Flu Shot... so whatever vaccinations they DID receive could not have possibly "Hyped-up" their immune response to influenza. Their immune system over-reacted on its own, as did many other people's immune response.

Once again, some people just too arrogant to grasp the idea that bad things can happen that they did NOT cause, and that they have NO control over. I think people are more comfortable thinking that if we somehow "caused" these things, then we can somehow control them. Nothing could be further from the truth.

_________________
"Old Mother Goose, when she wanted to wander, would ride through the air on a very fine gander."
1916
"Mother Goose had a house,
'Twas built in a wood,
Where an owl at the door
For sentinel stood."