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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 4:04 pm 
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http://discovermagazine.com/2009/dec/28 ... :int=2&-C=

Discover Magazine -

The Intellectual Property Fight That Could Kill Millions

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The hothouse environment of Indonesia is ground zero for a potential bird flu pandemic. But a fight over ownership of flu genes is blocking the efforts to track deadly infections on the move.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 12:38 am 
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LOL They have a lot of great writers who aren't afraid to mix it up. Its been a long time coming. Glad to see them taking the initiative.
CDC has an article about archeological investigation needed on web site. I hope they pull the reins and hold tight.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 1:47 am 
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Posted from H5N1 blog, http://crofsblogs.typepad.com/h5n1/

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Discover Magazine has published online a report that appeared in its December 2009 issue: The Intellecutal[sic] Property Fight That Could Kill Millions. It's a long discussion of Indonesia's assertion of intellectual property rights over the H5N1 virus found in samples from Indonesian cases.

But the author seems to think Siti Fadilah Supari is still Indonesia's health minister. She was replaced in October 2009 by Endang Rahayu Sedyaningsih, who seems so far to be a far more rational politician. (The renewal of flu news has come only since she took over.)

It's amazing that a major science magazine could let such a basic error get past it—especially in the online version, which has just come out today.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 2:00 am 
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At least they were not off by the 30 years it took them to decide who discovered aids.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 8:37 am 
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two recent US-court decisions reject patenting of genes
"as products of nature"

http://genome.fieldofscience.com/2010/0 ... mpany.html


now we have the issue with GISAID. They were founded to solve
the issue with Indonesia and apparantly Indonesia did submit
some sequences to GISAID.
Others followed. But GISAID sequences are not public domain,
are only available to registered members who must agree to not
publish them.

So, I think, they are not being used in scientific papers.
pubmed gives zero hits for GISAID but GISAID requires
to be acknowledged in papers, AFAIU

I think, I cannot legally use GISAID-sequences in my mutation tables here,
registered at GISAID or not.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 8:48 am 
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gsgs wrote:
two recent US-court decisions reject patenting of genes
"as products of nature"

http://genome.fieldofscience.com/2010/0 ... mpany.html


now we have the issue with GISAID. They were founded to solve
the issue with Indonesia and apparantly Indonesia did submit
some sequences to GISAID.
Others followed. But GISAID sequences are not public domain,
are only available to registered members who must agree to not
publish them.

So, I think, they are not being used in scientific papers.
pubmed gives zero hits for GISAID but GISAID requires
to be acknowledged in papers, AFAIU

I think, I cannot legally use GISAID-sequences in my mutation tables here,
registered at GISAID or not.

Please.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 9:00 am 
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gsgs wrote:
two recent US-court decisions reject patenting of genes
"as products of nature"

http://genome.fieldofscience.com/2010/0 ... mpany.html


now we have the issue with GISAID. They were founded to solve
the issue with Indonesia and apparantly Indonesia did submit
some sequences to GISAID.
Others followed. But GISAID sequences are not public domain,
are only available to registered members who must agree to not
publish them.

So, I think, they are not being used in scientific papers.
pubmed gives zero hits for GISAID but GISAID requires
to be acknowledged in papers, AFAIU

I think, I cannot legally use GISAID-sequences in my mutation tables here,
registered at GISAID or not.

You are posting nonsense. Most of the H1N1 sequences at GISAID are by public agencies and are depsoited there to fullfill their obligation to make the sequences public. The sequence can be used in publications with permission of depositing lab.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 3:51 am 
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the GISAID-FAQ mentions the conditions on publishing results based on GISAID-data
search google for gisaid faq , then scroll down to the 4th question of the GISAID-FAQ
I assume the FAQ may not be quoted here since they claim copyright for their FAQ
and on a similar discussion at another forum they required quotes from their terms
and conditions to be removed.

I can't remember that I ever saw a publication based on GISAID-data, fullfilling
these conditions. Is there any ?
55000 hits for influenza at pubmed, zero for GISAID. How many of these 55000
do you estimate use GISAID-data and are published under the GISIAD
user-agreement ?

Those Ukraine sequences with 225G, do they appear in any publication ?

Seems that GISAID-data are lost for the scientific process.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 7:24 am 
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gsgs wrote:
the GISAID-FAQ mentions the conditions on publishing results based on GISAID-data
search google for gisaid faq , then scroll down to the 4th question of the GISAID-FAQ
I assume the FAQ may not be quoted here since they claim copyright for their FAQ
and on a similar discussion at another forum they required quotes from their terms
and conditions to be removed.

I can't remember that I ever saw a publication based on GISAID-data, fullfilling
these conditions. Is there any ?
55000 hits for influenza at pubmed, zero for GISAID. How many of these 55000
do you estimate use GISAID-data and are published under the GISIAD
user-agreement ?

Those Ukraine sequences with 225G, do they appear in any publication ?

Seems that GISAID-data are lost for the scientific process.

Actually, I'm surprised that some of the posters of misinformation on GISAID haven't been sued. As stated MANY times in the past, for pH1N1, many of the public agencies that generate sequences almost exclusively release sequences at GISAID, so publications by the US CDC, NIID in Japan, the WHO center in Austrailia, Mill Hill in UK, etc, use GISAID sequences in publications, announcements, etc.
The initial Ukraine sequences were released by Mill Hill one day after the WHO press release announcing no significant chnages in Ukraine. The large number of autopsy lung sequences from Ukraine were released on the Monday following the Friday WER by WHO claimimg that D225G was not clustered in time and space.
CDC released the Duke death sequences prior to the "final" presentation on the spread at Duke.
Your lack of understanding of what sequences are released where, as well as the publication process, remains remarkable.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 10:21 am 
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OK, I found a few now:

google : "obtained from gisaid" (8 hits)
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http://www.eurosurveillance.org/ViewArt ... leId=19247
Ministry of Health, Rome: M G Pompa
> publicly accessible GISAID
> A/California/6/09 sequence obtained from Gisaid

http://www.nature.com/nbt/journal/v27/n ... 9-510.html
Venkataramanan Soundararajan1,2, Kannan Tharakaraman1,2, Rahul Raman1, S Raguram1,
Zachary Shriver1, V Sasisekharan1 & Ram Sasisekharan1

http://jcm.asm.org/cgi/reprint/47/11/3454.pdf
Pabbaraju

http://www.surechem.org/index.php?Actio ... upType=all
00319] Native Hl A/California/4/2009 sequence was obtained from GISAID database

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the last is a patent, using gisaid sequences. Wasn't gisaid invented to avoid this ?

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google: "obtained from genbank" AND influenza (8820) hits

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"uploaded to gisaid" : 4 hits
"uploaded to genbank" AND influenza : 820 hits

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