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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 1:34 pm 
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I understand.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 1:43 pm 
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Dr. Niman,
When you end the commentary with "would be useful," that's the understatement of the century! :shock:
Thank you and keep up the great, important work.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 1:51 pm 
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Just_an_Artist wrote:
Dr. Niman,
When you end the commentary with "would be useful," that's the understatement of the century! :shock:
Thank you and keep up the great, important work.


I totally agree! Well, he's just using sugar instead of lemons. I'd be a little more pushy though! :grin:

Thank you very much Dr. Niman for your commentaries. I will be following you very closely in the future on this particular article of information.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 2:03 pm 
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Shasta123 wrote:
Just_an_Artist wrote:
Dr. Niman,
When you end the commentary with "would be useful," that's the understatement of the century! :shock:
Thank you and keep up the great, important work.


I totally agree! Well, he's just using sugar instead of lemons. I'd be a little more pushy though! :grin:

Thank you very much Dr. Niman for your commentaries. I will be following you very closely in the future on this particular article of information.

Yes, if there is co-transmission, even if it is swine and seasonal H1N1 it is significant. However, it was the WHO comment that they were investigating that made me think it really is H1N1 with H5N1.
Of course there are other explanations, but none are very likely. One would be some type of lab contamination of samples, but the labs have a lot of experience and such contamination seems unlikely. The other is a mis-translation, but a mistranslation would not lead to a denial that included a co-infection explanation. There are many other far less likely explanations, but for now the story, as indicated, remains the most likely.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 2:13 pm 
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David Rousseau wrote:
i agree with that

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Dr. Niman, how many cases at least be there for that possible reassortment is a threat?

Co-transmission is a bigger threat than reassortment or recombination.

Co-transmission would mean that H5N1 is efficiently transmitted H2H by hitching a ride with pandemic H1N1 which appears to be able to infect everything (humans, swine, turkeys, and much more).

The only thing that H5N1 was missing to become a major pandemic was efficient H2H transmission, which would be solved via co-transmission.

Moreover, if this is transmitting in Saudi Arabia among pilgrims, they will spread the combo worldwide as they return to their country of origin.

This really is a perfect storm if these two viruses are co-transmittting.

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Thank you, Dr.Niman for all the hard work you do.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 2:31 pm 
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Here is another denial

Specious Report of Bird and Swine Flu Co-infection
An Egyptian news story that is starting to receive worldwide attention about a nightmare swine flu/bird flu co-infection is inaccurate, according to officials at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

On 30 August, the well regarded Egyptian newspaper Almasry reported that an Egyptian man who returned from a religious pilgrimage to Saudi Arabia had tested positive for both the highly lethal bird flu virus, H5N1, and the novel H1N1 strain that’s behind the swine flu pandemic. This is the first such report of a co-infection with the two viruses, which many researchers fear because the mix could create a new virus that has the virulence of bird flu, which does not move easily between humans, and the highly transmissible swine flu.

The Egyptian report was picked up yesterday by the widely read electronic surveillance system ProMED. Although the ProMED moderators raised many questions about the story, it remained unclear whether it was accurate. According to Nancy Cox, head of the CDC’s influenza division, there’s no evidence that this man is infected with both viruses. “Our reliable sources indicate that this report is incorrect,” Cox told ScienceInsider in an e-mail. Apparently, tests have shown that the man is coinfected with the pandemic H1N1 and the seasonal H3N2 virus. “There will be follow up testing to confirm,” according to Cox. As many as 5% of people who develop flu symptoms are infected with two different influenza viruses.

—Jon Cohen
http://blogs.sciencemag.org/scienceinsi ... eport.html

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 2:38 pm 
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niman wrote:
Here is another denial

Specious Report of Bird and Swine Flu Co-infection
An Egyptian news story that is starting to receive worldwide attention about a nightmare swine flu/bird flu co-infection is inaccurate, according to officials at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

On 30 August, the well regarded Egyptian newspaper Almasry reported that an Egyptian man who returned from a religious pilgrimage to Saudi Arabia had tested positive for both the highly lethal bird flu virus, H5N1, and the novel H1N1 strain that’s behind the swine flu pandemic. This is the first such report of a co-infection with the two viruses, which many researchers fear because the mix could create a new virus that has the virulence of bird flu, which does not move easily between humans, and the highly transmissible swine flu.

The Egyptian report was picked up yesterday by the widely read electronic surveillance system ProMED. Although the ProMED moderators raised many questions about the story, it remained unclear whether it was accurate. According to Nancy Cox, head of the CDC’s influenza division, there’s no evidence that this man is infected with both viruses. “Our reliable sources indicate that this report is incorrect,” Cox told ScienceInsider in an e-mail. Apparently, tests have shown that the man is coinfected with the pandemic H1N1 and the seasonal H3N2 virus. “There will be follow up testing to confirm,” according to Cox. As many as 5% of people who develop flu symptoms are infected with two different influenza viruses.

—Jon Cohen
http://blogs.sciencemag.org/scienceinsi ... eport.html


This looks to me like the original report we saw yesterday, rather than the 3 new cases from today.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 2:57 pm 
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wotan wrote:
niman wrote:
Here is another denial

Specious Report of Bird and Swine Flu Co-infection
An Egyptian news story that is starting to receive worldwide attention about a nightmare swine flu/bird flu co-infection is inaccurate, according to officials at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

On 30 August, the well regarded Egyptian newspaper Almasry reported that an Egyptian man who returned from a religious pilgrimage to Saudi Arabia had tested positive for both the highly lethal bird flu virus, H5N1, and the novel H1N1 strain that’s behind the swine flu pandemic. This is the first such report of a co-infection with the two viruses, which many researchers fear because the mix could create a new virus that has the virulence of bird flu, which does not move easily between humans, and the highly transmissible swine flu.

The Egyptian report was picked up yesterday by the widely read electronic surveillance system ProMED. Although the ProMED moderators raised many questions about the story, it remained unclear whether it was accurate. According to Nancy Cox, head of the CDC’s influenza division, there’s no evidence that this man is infected with both viruses. “Our reliable sources indicate that this report is incorrect,” Cox told ScienceInsider in an e-mail. Apparently, tests have shown that the man is coinfected with the pandemic H1N1 and the seasonal H3N2 virus. “There will be follow up testing to confirm,” according to Cox. As many as 5% of people who develop flu symptoms are infected with two different influenza viruses.

—Jon Cohen
http://blogs.sciencemag.org/scienceinsi ... eport.html


This looks to me like the original report we saw yesterday, rather than the 3 new cases from today.

However, it says that the seasonal flu is H3N2, which looks new, but its the three cases that makes the co-transmission argument, so the number of co-infected patients and the serotype remain up in the air.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 3:04 pm 
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wotan wrote:
niman wrote:
Here is another denial

Specious Report of Bird and Swine Flu Co-infection
An Egyptian news story that is starting to receive worldwide attention about a nightmare swine flu/bird flu co-infection is inaccurate, according to officials at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

On 30 August, the well regarded Egyptian newspaper Almasry reported that an Egyptian man who returned from a religious pilgrimage to Saudi Arabia had tested positive for both the highly lethal bird flu virus, H5N1, and the novel H1N1 strain that’s behind the swine flu pandemic. This is the first such report of a co-infection with the two viruses, which many researchers fear because the mix could create a new virus that has the virulence of bird flu, which does not move easily between humans, and the highly transmissible swine flu.

The Egyptian report was picked up yesterday by the widely read electronic surveillance system ProMED. Although the ProMED moderators raised many questions about the story, it remained unclear whether it was accurate. According to Nancy Cox, head of the CDC’s influenza division, there’s no evidence that this man is infected with both viruses. “Our reliable sources indicate that this report is incorrect,” Cox told ScienceInsider in an e-mail. Apparently, tests have shown that the man is coinfected with the pandemic H1N1 and the seasonal H3N2 virus. “There will be follow up testing to confirm,” according to Cox. As many as 5% of people who develop flu symptoms are infected with two different influenza viruses.

—Jon Cohen
http://blogs.sciencemag.org/scienceinsi ... eport.html


This looks to me like the original report we saw yesterday, rather than the 3 new cases from today.

Yes, this only appears to mention the one case and not 3.


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